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Guilty of Treason has a couple video's of a clone Stihl 066
Holzfforma chainsaws any good?
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Dont be posting proof that the clone saws arent that bad and you can buy one and go cut wood with it, if you can fix a couple tiny things, the stihl or nothing fanboys will hate you lol.
All my saws are clones. The joncutter5800 is the best one I have, 5 years old and still working great. I bent the top handle on it and replaced it, that's all that ever broke and it still worked it was just bent.
The troybuilt 42cc saw is a ripper for it's size with some porting done to it, it's not that old but is working fine so far.
I have a supmix6200 with a plastic swap from an older better zenoah clone, it runs great, no issues yet.
My neotech892 660 clone needed a few things an oem decomp, chain tensioner, gas/oil caps, the oiler sucked I modded it for more flow, the on/off/choke switch needed shimmed and the bolt in the pull start came loose and needed some thread locker, after that it starts easy and runs great.
My 25cc top handle from 2019 kinda sucks, the newer ones seam much better, im going to replace it not fix it.
If you're able to work on saws you can make a clone a reliable work saw. I recommend running the clone for a couple tanks close to home to trouble shoot it before heading to a jobsite or woodlot to spend a day running it. All the issues with my 660 clone showed up after a couple tanks of gas and were easy fixes.
Interesting this thread continues. I did my time with the Blue saws. For me the answer completely depends on the model as some are good some not so. So to answer the "generic" are blue saws any good is impossible. I had a terrible time getting the 361 clone "stable" but eventually did. NOT the type of things an average hobby type will do to get them to seal up. I had a reasonably good time & experience developing a 660 build by mixing in a few OEM parts, those saw were on the 'verge" of ready. But the g395 was a game changer for me. I ran mine after a piston change ( Hyway popup ), Muffler mod & the muffler bolts replaced with OEM. Logged two seasons with it mixed in with my other saws, made over 12k with that particular saw with NO issues. It was a solid saw & obviously paid for it self. I gave it away ( yup I did ), NOT because it was having issues, to the contrary, it was taking all the oxygen away from my other saws for my video channel. It "Punted" my 572's, 562's, and 585 in the sense i would take them out to work, and had the g395 as backup. WHEN the video on those other saws was done, I would go back to the g395 to finish the days work. SO it had to go. Now I run my 572 junk pile builds with the 585 as back up. If you notice, OTHER saws are again creeping onto the channel.. a Homie 540, Husqvarna 298 , Husqvarna 285, etc. Headed back into the logging again and if I didn't ditch the g395 it would steal all the video time again. So are those Holzfforma's any good? ONE model is, the g395. The rest? I no longer care / Now I want an OEM 395, that blue saw "sold" me on the 395 concept.
I wouldn't be giving these copy-saws to my sons if I thought they were junk. They both have mechanical skilz, but no time to screw around.
My new favourite saw is the blue supmix. The air filtration is problematic. Other than that it runs like a proper pro saw.
I love the little top handles just for the convenience of having a saw that doesn't take up any room. And they can easily cut full-bar buried in anything I have around here. Handy, handy. I have bought 4. Two Lizrha's, one "chainsaw" and one Proyama. They all run about the same. Which is excellently. I gave a couple away. I kept the Proyama and one of the Lizrha's for no particular reasons.
So far I am running all of my copies stock with no real issues. The most annoying is the air filtration on the supmix models. No mufflers to mod, no limiters to remove, no worries of weak technology (solenoid controlled fuel delivery and strato designs).
I weighed the blue supmix with 20" bar against my jonsered 2152 with 16" bar. They both had some gas and oil in them, so not complete apples to apples, but the supmix weighed only a couple of ounces more. I also ran them back to back. The supmix has a fair amount more power. The johnny handles better, of course, but not by a lot. I like them both. And they both run perfectly. The Echo 590 is about 4 lbs heavier with a 20" bar and doesn't out cut the supmix in wood up to about 12", which is most of my wood. I'm in 50cc country.
The copies have confirmed that I have no interest in current "big two" saw designs whatsoever. Especially the overcomplicated Stihl variety..and I have run several of both brands. They have also relegated my only Echo, a 590, to last place on my lineup of roughly a dozen runners.
If I could buy clean, unmolested used name-brand saws for a fair price I would be all over that. But they have become like hen's teeth here. I shoulda bought a couple more about 10-15 years ago when they were more available. Oh well.
I haven't tried a Farmertec/Holtzforma model yet. I might, or not.
I might have to start with non-runners, idk. And they barely exist in my world.
Anyway, those who haven't tried these things for whatever reasons should not speak to that which they know nothing about.
My new favourite saw is the blue supmix. The air filtration is problematic. Other than that it runs like a proper pro saw.
I love the little top handles just for the convenience of having a saw that doesn't take up any room. And they can easily cut full-bar buried in anything I have around here. Handy, handy. I have bought 4. Two Lizrha's, one "chainsaw" and one Proyama. They all run about the same. Which is excellently. I gave a couple away. I kept the Proyama and one of the Lizrha's for no particular reasons.
So far I am running all of my copies stock with no real issues. The most annoying is the air filtration on the supmix models. No mufflers to mod, no limiters to remove, no worries of weak technology (solenoid controlled fuel delivery and strato designs).
I weighed the blue supmix with 20" bar against my jonsered 2152 with 16" bar. They both had some gas and oil in them, so not complete apples to apples, but the supmix weighed only a couple of ounces more. I also ran them back to back. The supmix has a fair amount more power. The johnny handles better, of course, but not by a lot. I like them both. And they both run perfectly. The Echo 590 is about 4 lbs heavier with a 20" bar and doesn't out cut the supmix in wood up to about 12", which is most of my wood. I'm in 50cc country.
The copies have confirmed that I have no interest in current "big two" saw designs whatsoever. Especially the overcomplicated Stihl variety..and I have run several of both brands. They have also relegated my only Echo, a 590, to last place on my lineup of roughly a dozen runners.
If I could buy clean, unmolested used name-brand saws for a fair price I would be all over that. But they have become like hen's teeth here. I shoulda bought a couple more about 10-15 years ago when they were more available. Oh well.
I haven't tried a Farmertec/Holtzforma model yet. I might, or not.
I might have to start with non-runners, idk. And they barely exist in my world.
Anyway, those who haven't tried these things for whatever reasons should not speak to that which they know nothing about.
Around here I like the little 25cc echo clone 2511 by V-modest 2511 for pruning cuts with the 1/4" mini micro.
I had that Joncutter 25cc that weighed 1.5LB more. The 2511 feels so much better to use then it.
The JC2500 went to a local and wont go with those anymore with the clone 2511 offered now.
I use the G111 200T clone if need for bigger cuts.
VM2511 had 3/8LP in the G111 pics.
I had that Joncutter 25cc that weighed 1.5LB more. The 2511 feels so much better to use then it.
The JC2500 went to a local and wont go with those anymore with the clone 2511 offered now.
I use the G111 200T clone if need for bigger cuts.
VM2511 had 3/8LP in the G111 pics.
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In your mind what does that video prove to you?
It proves to me the guy will shill anything.
It also proves that he ain't much of a faller.
No fault of the saw
No fault of the saw
I'm sure it is. I have him on ignore. It's great. Don't have to read bs about clones. He has ruined several good threads on here. He was banned from the other forum for his comments.
Yet here you are.
And that other forum is nearly dead.
