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Moondoogie, face cords maybe.

Stacking is over rated for some people. I have tried most methods. Pile on the right is 16" splits about 12' high and about 30' across. Pile on the left is 24" splits about 12' high and 20' across. They are piled on skids. Rounds in the front of pic are 24``ash ready to be split for my OWB.
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These are wire mesh with skids under. Worked aright except for I forgot to put an extra skid under them and the skid froze to the ground. 16``ash.
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And this was my latest effort. 24`` ash in 4`x4`crates.
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This years plan is to use same crates but rounds will be 32`` long then split. Covered with a tarp for the winter or store in my barn.
 
Moondoogie, face cords maybe.

Stacking is over rated for some people. I have tried most methods. Pile on the right is 16" splits about 12' high and about 30' across. Pile on the left is 24" splits about 12' high and 20' across. They are piled on skids. Rounds in the front of pic are 24``ash ready to be split for my OWB.
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These are wire mesh with skids under. Worked aright except for I forgot to put an extra skid under them and the skid froze to the ground. 16``ash.
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And this was my latest effort. 24`` ash in 4`x4`crates.
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This years plan is to use same crates but rounds will be 32`` long then split. Covered with a tarp for the winter or store in my barn.
No way. Those are not even 4x4... Nice try. I split 167 128 cubic foot cords last year. I can eyeball a pile well. Look at the burn barrel & lawn tractor now the hard part imagine you are there. Good day to you sir.
 
Obviously neatly stacked, 128 cubic feet make a cord, 4 x 4 x 8'.

Loosed stacked pile require 190 cubic feet to make a cord.

Care to read:

What is a Cord?
We often are asked about volumes of firewood and what is a cord, as the terms used can vary from person to person. The variety of terms used and a varied interpretation of them can lead to misunderstanding between the firewood supplier and the customer.

Information about firewood can be found in many places on the Internet. One excellent resource is the University of Maine Cooperative Extension Service Bulletin #7103, Units of Measure and Conversion Factors for Forest Products.

A full cord is a pile 4' x 4' x 8', yielding a volume of 128 cubic feet. This is a standard cord and is the volume you would roughly expect to measure when stacking a full cord of delivered wood. Variations on a full cord are face cord, run, rick and truckload. No matter what terms are used to describe it, firewood is sold by volume.

Standard firewood is 16" long. If you make a stack of 16" firewood 4' high and 8' long, this is a "run" or "face cord" or sometimes a "rick." This amount is what you see when you look at the long "face" of the pile. If you stack three 16" runs, they will total 48" wide and you will have the full cord in all three dimensions (see drawing at right). A misunderstanding can lead to the delivery of a run or face cord when a full cord is expected. If you are buying 12" wood, you would need 4 runs or face cords to stack to the full volume of 128 cubic feet. As long as the buyer and seller agree on the volume measurements used, there should be few surprises.

Another measure is the thrown cord, which is generally how truckloads of firewood are measured. This method is based on the loose volume as thrown or dumped into a truck. From the Cooperative Extension Service document No. 7103:

Approximate Stacked Volume of a Cord of Wood
Cut and Split

Length Approximate Cubic Feet Approximate Percent Shrinkage from 128 Cubic Feet
48" 128 0
24" 110-113 12
16" 103-107 16
12" 100-103 20
The chart shows that when a firewood supplier delivers a load of green cut and split firewood and it stacks to a full 128 cubic foot cord, the supplier had to use up to 1/5th more than a cord of 48" green wood to supply that full cord. Another consideration is that wood shrinks when it dries, between 6 to 8 percent on average. This loss of volume from cutting, splitting and drying is a cost that firewood suppliers have to consider when pricing their product and delivering firewood.

Some suppliers deal with this shrinkage by selling on the basis of a green cord. A green cord volume means that the wood occupied 180 cubic feet as a thrown volume of green, unseasoned wood and should stack to 128 cubic feet. Once it is dried, the volume once you have stacked it would be smaller by about 8 cubic feet. The volume of dry wood is still called a green cord, since it is the same quantity of wood that occupied 180 cubic feet when the wood was green.

Maine law provides for scaling of firewood-length wood, either round or split, on a "thrown in" basis. We think these suggested measurements are a good rule of thumb to use for selling firewood in any state.

Length of wood in the thrown cord. Volume required to stack as a full cord.
12" or 16" wood 180 cubic feet
24" wood 195 cubic feet
A thrown cord of 12" or 16" wood will occupy 180 cubic feet; 24" wood will require 195 cubic feet to contain a cord.
 
I agree with blacklocust. I'm selling this 16" long split load as 3 cord ( around here everyone calls everything cords). I don't have anything saying how much is there and anyone who has asked so far I just say I'm selling a trailer load of wood, if they want it they get it, I don't care how much it does or doesn't add up to. Gimme my beer money. Ok so I don't drink but you know what I mean. I forget exact size of trailer but it's around 6x10 and the sides including wood are about 32" high. I think I worked it out to 200 cubic feet in a load, so well over a full cord thrown.
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Those two piles have at least 5 cords a piece in them. Op humor me and stack one pile.
I'd like to agree to this, then I think how much more I could split in that amount of time. But then again curiosity is getting the better of me. But it's hot out. I'll just say "we'll see, maybe.."
Obviously neatly stacked, 128 cubic feet make a cord, 4 x 4 x 8'.

Loosed stacked pile require 190 cubic feet to make a cord.

Care to read:

What is a Cord?
We often are asked about volumes of firewood and what is a cord, as the terms used can vary from person to person. The variety of terms used and a varied interpretation of them can lead to misunderstanding between the firewood supplier and the customer.

Information about firewood can be found in many places on the Internet. One excellent resource is the University of Maine Cooperative Extension Service Bulletin #7103, Units of Measure and Conversion Factors for Forest Products.

A full cord is a pile 4' x 4' x 8', yielding a volume of 128 cubic feet. This is a standard cord and is the volume you would roughly expect to measure when stacking a full cord of delivered wood. Variations on a full cord are face cord, run, rick and truckload. No matter what terms are used to describe it, firewood is sold by volume.

Standard firewood is 16" long. If you make a stack of 16" firewood 4' high and 8' long, this is a "run" or "face cord" or sometimes a "rick." This amount is what you see when you look at the long "face" of the pile. If you stack three 16" runs, they will total 48" wide and you will have the full cord in all three dimensions (see drawing at right). A misunderstanding can lead to the delivery of a run or face cord when a full cord is expected. If you are buying 12" wood, you would need 4 runs or face cords to stack to the full volume of 128 cubic feet. As long as the buyer and seller agree on the volume measurements used, there should be few surprises.

Another measure is the thrown cord, which is generally how truckloads of firewood are measured. This method is based on the loose volume as thrown or dumped into a truck. From the Cooperative Extension Service document No. 7103:

Approximate Stacked Volume of a Cord of Wood
Cut and Split

Length Approximate Cubic Feet Approximate Percent Shrinkage from 128 Cubic Feet
48" 128 0
24" 110-113 12
16" 103-107 16
12" 100-103 20
The chart shows that when a firewood supplier delivers a load of green cut and split firewood and it stacks to a full 128 cubic foot cord, the supplier had to use up to 1/5th more than a cord of 48" green wood to supply that full cord. Another consideration is that wood shrinks when it dries, between 6 to 8 percent on average. This loss of volume from cutting, splitting and drying is a cost that firewood suppliers have to consider when pricing their product and delivering firewood.

Some suppliers deal with this shrinkage by selling on the basis of a green cord. A green cord volume means that the wood occupied 180 cubic feet as a thrown volume of green, unseasoned wood and should stack to 128 cubic feet. Once it is dried, the volume once you have stacked it would be smaller by about 8 cubic feet. The volume of dry wood is still called a green cord, since it is the same quantity of wood that occupied 180 cubic feet when the wood was green.

Maine law provides for scaling of firewood-length wood, either round or split, on a "thrown in" basis. We think these suggested measurements are a good rule of thumb to use for selling firewood in any state.

Length of wood in the thrown cord. Volume required to stack as a full cord.
12" or 16" wood 180 cubic feet
24" wood 195 cubic feet
A thrown cord of 12" or 16" wood will occupy 180 cubic feet; 24" wood will require 195 cubic feet to contain a cord.
Very good read! Also good to have the figures for a thrown cord.
I look at those "piles" and my OCD starts quivering....
Lmao
 
When I look at those rounded piles I see something more like a half a sphere than a conic section. For a sphere the formula is 4/3 pi times r cubed but for just the top half you would divide the result by 2. Now adjust for the loose stacking of just tossing the rounds in a pile and all mathematical methods go right out the window.
 
A cord is a pile that is 4 feet high, 4 feet deep and 8 feet long. It comes out to 128 cubic feet. A rick is not well or consistently defined for most folks. A face cord, in many places is simply 1/3 cord or a pile 4 feet high, 8 feet long and 16 inches thick.
 
I'm thinking he should multiply by .80 or so to account for the inefficiency of a pile versus well stacked wood

I was thinking the same thing but was having a hard time deciding what factor to throw in... I figured somewhere between .7 and .8 but it's hard to imagine without looking at a pile of wood.
 
I'm debating stacking it because if I sell it there's a chance it'll get loosely thrown into a truck and it's not leaving unless I know how much is going. I'll probably stack it in cords since the lengths are different. Actually maybe I'll sort it by length. I think all but maybe a cord are the same length. Crap idk. Lol. That's gonna suck. Lol
 
Moondoggie, you're right, 4x4 I must have been reading my tape wrong. It's hard for me to estimate size unless there is something of a known size in the picture.

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I'm debating stacking it because if I sell it there's a chance it'll get loosely thrown into a truck and it's not leaving unless I know how much is going. I'll probably stack it in cords since the lengths are different. Actually maybe I'll sort it by length. I think all but maybe a cord are the same length. Crap idk. Lol. That's gonna suck. Lol
Measure your truck multiply length x widthth x height a cord is 128 cubic feet. Figure out your truck bed capacity then stack the wood neatly and tight and sell in percentage of a cord. Dont be the guy that throws the wood in the back. You will get a much better reputation which = a good customer base! In most states I believe the law states you must sell wood in percentages of a cord. Not a " truck load" so sell in ⅓ cord ½ cord full cord 42% of a cord whatever amount you want to sell. You can add sideboards to get the amount you want to sell also.

If you do all the things listed above you will know how much you are selling without having to stack your wood at your house. Or even better when possible split the wood throw it directly in the truck and stack it when it starts falling off. This will take away another step of handling the wood.
 
Measure your truck multiply length x widthth x height a cord is 128 cubic feet. Figure out your truck bed capacity then stack the wood neatly and tight and sell in percentage of a cord. Dont be the guy that throws the wood in the back. You will get a much better reputation which = a good customer base! In most states I believe the law states you must sell wood in percentages of a cord. Not a " truck load" so sell in ⅓ cord ½ cord full cord 42% of a cord whatever amount you want to sell. You can add sideboards to get the amount you want to sell also.

If you do all the things listed above you will know how much you are selling without having to stack your wood at your house. Or even better when possible split the wood throw it directly in the truck and stack it when it starts falling off. This will take away another step of handling the wood.

Yea I know I could figure out how much truck holds loosely thrown but hopefully most of it will be sold picked up not delivered, rarely will it be delivered immediately after splitting or else throwing it in the truck makes perfect sense.
 

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