No hostility going on here just the facts are the facts. I have no problem of somebody having fun but for some of us these fake saws are just all wrong. I always here people buy these because they can't afford the real thing. In my opinion you will loose money buying a knockoff vs OEM.
There are knock off Chinese watches that tell the time just as well as their fashionable originals. Some people are Ok with having a watch that looks expensive to tell the time, even if it isn't manufactured, assembled and sold from Switzerland. To me, a watch is meant to tell time and if it looks good on my wrist and does that for a decent price then maybe you're happy. But maybe you aren't if you know that it is a copy of the real (expensive) version. Seems those people are more interested in the quality of the item or the status, or caché that goes along with it.
For women, it's handbags. There are expensive Gucci/Coach/Michael Kors/Luis Vuitton high fashion bags that cost $5k, and knock offs that are $30. They both hold your stuff as you walk around during the day. But for some it's about the exclusivity of owning something expensive and for others it's just about being perceived as fashionable.
Same with saws- some people just want a large displacement saw that cuts (mills) big wood for an affordable price- these saws are based on tried and true designs that are difficult to come by these days. Some people will be happy with the result of a copy for what it can do for you- others want the saw as some kind of appreciation for quality, or status of owning something rare or expensive.
At the end of the day, the things we buy are used by some as tools, and others to inflate their ego.
There are knock off Chinese watches that tell the time just as well as their fashionable originals. Some people are Ok with having a watch that looks expensive to tell the time, even if it isn't manufactured, assembled and sold from Switzerland. To me, a watch is meant to tell time and if it looks good on my wrist and does that for a decent price then maybe you're happy. But maybe you aren't if you know that it is a copy of the real (expensive) version. Seems those people are more interested in the quality of the item or the status, or caché that goes along with it.
Same with saws- some people just want a large displacement saw that cuts (mills) big wood for an affordable price- these saws are based on tried and true designs that are difficult to come by these days. Some people will be happy with the result of a copy for what it can do for you- others want the saw as some kind of appreciation for quality, or status of owning something rare or expensive.
At the end of the day, the things we buy are used by some as tools, and others to inflate their ego.
What made me post was the op used the words ultimate saw! The fact that the op stating in his first post that the Chinese 090 knockoff is the ultimate saw just couldn't be left alone. I think that was Brad's reasoning for posting as well. I could be way off here and should let Brad speak for himself and he can come and correct me if I'm wrong.I can't really find issue with that. And I believe that thinking of them as OEM replacements is a bad idea. Stihl is certainly at least one of the few quality benchmark manufacturers... and these Chinese things are most certainly not that. They are really just other Chinese saws. But, I have maybe thirty or so saws out there in the shop and they've all been an enjoyable project at one time or another. They just sit there... waiting for me to die, I guess. I use just a few of them... a ported 026, a 372, and miller or two. A couple more weeks in the shed with a decent bottle of scotch seems like a good reason for me try a few of these silly kits out. Think old guy doing "ship in a bottle." I'm still going to trade my red light for another 066... that's sounds like another great project.
For the record, I still drop a lot of coin at my Stihl dealer.. but I really do understand the anxiety they might be having. In the 90's, my coffee shops got run out of business by Starbucks... I didn't appreciate that at all, as you can imagine. It was years before I went into one of those places... but they are incredibly competitive and they are part of life now, and all that gnashing and railing against them made me look like an idiot... which I don't need any help with. I go in there once in a while when the choices are slim. The future is here, and my dissenting vote didn't count for ****. I just make it a point to slop some half and half around... you know, passive aggressive-like.
So your saying that Starbucks was coping your local coffee or you saying Starbucks maybe brought something new to the table and people realized it was better? In this case there's nothing better about a clone 090.I can't really find issue with that. And I believe that thinking of them as OEM replacements is a bad idea. Stihl is certainly at least one of the few quality benchmark manufacturers... and these Chinese things are most certainly not that. They are really just other Chinese saws. But, I have maybe thirty or so saws out there in the shop and they've all been an enjoyable project at one time or another. They just sit there... waiting for me to die, I guess. I use just a few of them... a ported 026, a 372, and miller or two. A couple more weeks in the shed with a decent bottle of scotch seems like a good reason for me try a few of these silly kits out. Think old guy doing "ship in a bottle." I'm still going to trade my red light for another 066... that's sounds like another great project.
For the record, I still drop a lot of coin at my Stihl dealer.. but I really do understand the anxiety they might be having. In the 90's, my coffee shops got run out of business by Starbucks... I didn't appreciate that at all, as you can imagine. It was years before I went into one of those places... but they are incredibly competitive and they are part of life now, and all that gnashing and railing against them made me look like an idiot... which I don't need any help with. I go in there once in a while when the choices are slim. The future is here, and my dissenting vote didn't count for ****. I just make it a point to slop some half and half around... you know, passive aggressive-like.
So I'm guessing you have a business and use tools to make a living? I use all kinds of tools to make a living and Chinese knockoffs of anything I depend on day in day out would be a really big financial mistake. But that's just me.There are knock off Chinese watches that tell the time just as well as their fashionable originals. Some people are Ok with having a watch that looks expensive to tell the time, even if it isn't manufactured, assembled and sold from Switzerland. To me, a watch is meant to tell time and if it looks good on my wrist and does that for a decent price then maybe you're happy. But maybe you aren't if you know that it is a copy of the real (expensive) version. Seems those people are more interested in the quality of the item or the status, or caché that goes along with it.
Same with saws- some people just want a large displacement saw that cuts (mills) big wood for an affordable price- these saws are based on tried and true designs that are difficult to come by these days. Some people will be happy with the result of a copy for what it can do for you- others want the saw as some kind of appreciation for quality, or status of owning something rare or expensive.
At the end of the day, the things we buy are used by some as tools, and others to inflate their ego.
Lol, you got me there. Ultimate copy is perfect!!Well let me back up and say ultimate copy
I see the complete is about 350 bones, i imagine theyll hamer you for another 100 to ship that monster
What made me post was the op used the words ultimate saw! The fact that the op stating in his first post that the Chinese 090 knockoff is the ultimate saw just couldn't be left alone. I think that was Brad's reasoning for posting as well. I could be way off here and should let Brad speak for himself and he can come and correct me if I'm wrong.
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