We needed a model to build this by and the manual should be posted soon. So both crutches will be in place. Until then guys have a look at this monster. I found myself saying it was big over and over. If I would have had a bar and chain you would also see a cutting video. But that clock was ticking and the math said do this now and then spend on the bar and chains. Man is it HUGE. I hope you all have a nice Easter