Huztl / Farmertec ms 440

[blsnelling]

It's not a part of the job I enjoy, but it is absolutely necessary. One bad apple can indeed spoil the whole bushel.

I totally understand!

 

[Bedford T]

This is why I respond to you like I do. You repeatedly choose to ignore practical experience and years of building these saws, with both AM and OEM parts, and then either flat out tell us we're wrong, or continue to try and lead others in the wrong direction.

I have not ignored you. Your statement is not true.

 

[Tothemax]

I put a Hutzl BB kit on my step dads 440. So far so good. I did port and polish it a little along with modding the exhaust. I am curious to see how long it lasts...

 

[weimedog]

Any one see if those flywheel run true on the ones that vibrate?

 

[tbohn]

Any one see if those flywheel run true on the ones that vibrate?

I have not but I do have another to try.

 

[davhul]

If shipping is correct I'll have one in the morning. And I believe I have everything I need to finish it so hopefully that happens. I also have OE clips. If it vibrates I have a OE wrist pin to try. I don't have a OE flywheel or crank to try. Hope it's the flywheel if it does vibrate

 

[weimedog]

I have not but I do have another to try.

Did a job where the complaint was excessive vibration with a 372XT. ....just before splitting the cases I was just turning it over by hand...wondering if it had bad bearings...noticed the flywheel had a .1" wobble! It was the crank "stub" pressed into the lamb chop a little off. Big vibration. Always look first at the largest spinning mass first on these little buggers...maybe the flywheel is weighted wrong, or like I had...the mounting was off in one of a variety of ways.

 

[davhul]

A flywheel not tightened enough to pull it all the way on the taper could cause a problem. There was a problem with the 660 and tightening the nut.

 

[weimedog]

A flywheel not tightened enough to pull it all the way on the taper could cause a problem. There was a problem with the 660 and tightening the nut.

LOL...and some....those nuts will always be a little loose, or is that screws?

 

[grizz55chev]

I backed it up. I gave you a link on the wrist pin. I did get the 660 saw running. It was a broken piece of cylinder that caused the problem. I posted all this. You are just looking to cause trouble.

I learned that you in particular are set In His ways and has limited experience with aftermarket parts and you think in terms of OEM parts and the wrist pin is a good example. Or the time you said you did not recommend putting the case in an oven. You are out of your elements in these threads

Maybe some conductive grease on the spark plug boot would help.

 

[weimedog]

Maybe some conductive grease on the spark plug boot would help.

But would u really see any difference.....is that just a natural twitch? Of course there would be at least one who would argue that grease makes those sparks fly smoother...maybe, maybe that would make that saw vibrate less too...

 

[Guru LLC]

We have a big group buy going on for these saw kits. Hopefully we will see some interesting threads after they are in our members hands.

 

[dswensen]

We have a big group buy going on for these saw kits. Hopefully we will see some interesting threads after they are in our members hands.

If you have recently ordered a Huztl 440 build kit:

When you all get your kits, take a close look at the chain brake main spring. Compare yours to the pictures in these "440 build" threads (problem with some springs is difficult to describe in words). You may need to order a replacement. Also, look for a throttle linkage. It might be missing completely - again you may need to order one. There have been challenges with the installation of the oil pumps - look through the threads for solutions, they are in there.

There are two separate "440 build" threads on this site (so far). They both have good information (and a bit of contention - read over those parts).

I used the "case halves in oven, crank in freezer" method for putting the case together - worked like a charm.

The kit-provided piston pin circlips have been criticized as not being of good quality. I personally replaced the clips from my kit with Stihl 12MM x 1MM clips. Did I NEED to? I don't know, but I feel better about it after replacing them - so it was worth it to me.

Get an illustrated parts list (IPL)! It makes the job much easier. I have one as do many others here; if you need one, let me know through "private message" on this site - send me your e-mail address and I'll send you one in PDF.

Think it through, take it slowly, hang in there and don't give up - the finished product is worth it.

 

[weimedog]

Another area to look for vibration IS the clutch, another spinning mass. The clutch drums I've seen on the older series of 660s' were way out. Might want to try a better quality drum that holds things in a more perfect circle... lol, 440's probably twist a little faster AND the mass of the crank being smaller in diameter & lighter, if there was vibration because of the clutch it would be more noticeable than on the bigger saw...a physics thing..

 

[blsnelling]

We have a big group buy going on for these saw kits. Hopefully we will see some interesting threads after they are in our members hands.

Does that mean a discount?

 

[dswensen]

Does that mean a discount?

Uh-oh! I might be talked into another one - or two - or ........

 

[weimedog]

Just ONE more for me! My wife has seen enough of these parts "raids" where the mail lady drops an arm full of parts by the front door! I do want to focus on those 036's, one as delivered, one tweaked, and one "OEM" dead saw salvage project....

 

[Stihlofadeal64]

If you have recently ordered a Huztl 440 build kit:

When you all get your kits, take a close look at the chain brake main spring. Compare yours to the pictures in these "440 build" threads (problem with some springs is difficult to describe in words). You may need to order a replacement. Also, look for a throttle linkage. It might be missing completely - again you may need to order one. There have been challenges with the installation of the oil pumps - look through the threads for solutions, they are in there.

There are two separate "440 build" threads on this site (so far). They both have good information (and a bit of contention - read over those parts).

I used the "case halves in oven, crank in freezer" method for putting the case together - worked like a charm.

The kit-provided piston pin circlips have been criticized as not being of good quality. I personally replaced the clips from my kit with Stihl 12MM x 1MM clips. Did I NEED to? I don't know, but I feel better about it after replacing them - so it was worth it to me.

Get an illustrated parts list (IPL)! It makes the job much easier. I have one as do many others here; if you need one, let me know through "private message" on this site - send me your e-mail address and I'll send you one in PDF.

Think it through, take it slowly, hang in there and don't give up - the finished product is worth it.

For those who just stepped in -- could someone post the links to the other threads. I know we have some forum wizards on here. Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[dswensen]

Here is the other one for 044/440. There is one for MS361, and MS660 too. "Search" will reveal them all.

http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/huztl-ms-440-initial-impressions-and-build.305102/

 

[grizz55chev]

Does that mean a discount?

Maybe coupons for pie?