I call B.S. on Stihl. My dyno doesn't lie. MS 461 is king over MS 660

[Stihlman441]

This is interesting a ported 461 V ported 660 same 25'' bar and chain on both same wood.
Both 8 pin sprockets and agressive .038'' raker chain.

461


660

 

[lone wolf]

2 second difference what do you come up with?

 

[KG441c]

Awesome. Husky have kept the outputs of their oilers right at the pointy end. They'll oil a 42" bar easily. Not sure what they'd be maxxed out at but it's certainly more than 42".

Does anyone know if the 461r oil pump piston will fit the 362? They r different part numbers. Also wondering if u shorten the oil control screw on the regular output oiler if it will increase flow?

 

[mdavlee]

HO oiler keeps up but that isn't fitted standard to most US 660's.

yup, my 066 with the HO oiler puts out more than needed with a 36" bar...haven't been able to try the 42 yet

How's the 395s stock oiler?

Ian

Not in hardwoods it didn't on mine.

A HO oiler on a 460 will oil a 36" about the same.

It will drip off a 36".

 

[Brush Ape]

I wouldn't call most of the responses arguing at all. Not one single person on this site should think they can start a thread, about anything, and not have to explain their reasoning to other members.
I certainly don't agree with people starting to get abusive or those that resort to name calling.

Take a page out of this master's playbook.

Nobody is above the long arm of the law, and even that is subject to scrutiny by your peers. MCW and our brethren down under use aplomb on these web exchanges. Look into it and you'll even perceive what I'm on about. Truth is the reason the Brush Ape silhouette darkens your door.

Professionals never act like sheep. Leaders accept challenge.

 

[MCW]

Not in hardwoods it didn't on mine.

A HO oiler on a 460 will oil a 36" about the same.

It will drip off a 36".

Do you mean a 395XP won't keep up or a 660 on a 42" bar? Both the 390XP's I've owned have had sufficient oil in our hardwoods for 42" bars and the 395's are certainly no worse.

 

[mdavlee]

Do you mean a 395XP won't keep up or a 660 on a 42" bar? Both the 390XP's I've owned have had sufficient oil in our hardwoods for 42" bars and the 395's are certainly no worse.

660 wouldn't to suit me. The 390 and 385 doesn't put out enough for a 36" to me. I like the 395/3120 oil amount to flow.

 

[MCW]

Does anyone know if the 461r oil pump piston will fit the 362? They r different part numbers. Also wondering if u shorten the oil control screw on the regular output oiler if it will increase flow?

Can't help there sorry

 

[MCW]

660 wouldn't to suit me. The 390 and 385 doesn't put out enough for a 36" to me. I like the 395/3120 oil amount to flow.

Must have different oilers on our 390's then. I'm normally pretty fussy with oil output on longer bars but it looks like I may have met my match
Wanting the oil output of a 3120 with the oil boost lever on isn't very environmentally friendly! You won't have any bar and chain wear although you may start killing penguins in the antarctic.

 

[mdavlee]

Must have different oilers on our 390's then. I'm normally pretty fussy with oil output on longer bars but it looks like I may have met my match
Wanting the oil output of a 3120 with the oil boost lever on isn't very environmentally friendly! You won't have any bar and chain wear although you may start killing penguins in the antarctic.

There's not different oilers listed. I was milling with the 36" also. That may have been part of it. It didn't burn the paint off but wasn't real wet on the drive links.

 

[MCW]

There's not different oilers listed. I was milling with the 36" also. That may have been part of it. It didn't burn the paint off but wasn't real wet on the drive links.

Ah ha. Milling is a whole different animal. I don't have a mill setup for under 42" so only use the 3120 when milling. The old 3120 will be tested soon. Have a couple of big Redgum logs that will use every inch of the 55" cut. In fact I'll have to trim the sides off one of the logs so the mill can actually fit...
I might give the 390XP a run as a sidekick just to trim it up

 

[mdavlee]

It was adequate cross cutting the logs. I would like a little more though.

 

[MCW]

It was adequate cross cutting the logs. I would like a little more though.

More the merrier

 

[mdavlee]

That bar is .050" also so that may be art of the problem.

 

[chadihman]

Got four more tanks through the 660 and last night I tested the 660, 461 and a ported 361. I'll post all the #'s later but the 461 still has the 660 beat until below 7500 rpms. Here's the really cool part about last nights testing. The ported 361 had more HP than the 660 at 10,000 rpms and was just a tad under the 461 at 10,000 rpms. That 361 has lots of torque in the high rpm range. That will keep it pulling through wood at a higher rpm which relates to faster cutting. It doesn't have the torque down low like the 660 or 461 most likely due to lower cc's

 

[MustangMike]

Chad, thanks for more excellent information. Kind of what I would have thought, a ported saw for the "fastest" work, and a big cube saw for a long bar that won't get hung up, and something in the middle if you are only using one.

 

[chadihman]

The ported 361 would beat the 660 in wood under 24". Put a large sprocket on the 660 to get the chain speed up and the 660 in its sweet HP spot and the 660 wins. Its all about sizing the sprocket, bar size and chain to match the saws max HP rpm range.

 

[Mastermind]

You would think that Chad.

I can't get those results though.

The high rpm screamers will win in a cant race......even if the big saws are geared up.

It's weird.

Of course, my chains leave a lot to be desired.......and that may well be why things don't work out as planned.

 

[chadihman]

You would think that Chad.

I can't get those results though.

The high rpm screamers will win in a cant race......even if the big saws are geared up.

It's weird.

Of course, my chains leave a lot to be desired.......and that may well be why things don't work out as planned.

Interesting! Sure is wierd

 

[Mastermind]

It's about having the chain, saw, gear, and operator all working together.

I'm a mile behind on chain......and as an operator I suck.