I FINALLY finished my shop!

[Bill G]

Read it says not corn. But further more you older fellows need to be a bit kinder to the young fellow. Sorry if that has ruffled any feathers. But kindness is a virtue.

So what are you putting in the bin?

 

[retiredfarmer]

So what are you putting in the bin?

The thread is about the young fellows shop.so if you want to compare ledgers with me I am more than willing to do that. Time to be polite to the young fellow and time to get over being a keyboard warrior that likely the only farm thing you did was being a shovel boy at a terminal years ago or that is the way you cone across

 

[user 188535]

Excellent job on your shop!

Thanks!

 

[Bill G]

The thread is about the young fellows shop.so if you want to compare ledgers with me I am more than willing to do that. Time to be polite to the young fellow and time to get over being a keyboard warrior that likely the only farm thing you did was being a shovel boy at a terminal years ago or that is the way you cone across

I have been nothing but polite to the boy so you might want to check prior to typing

 

[user 188535]

I have been nothing but polite to the boy so you might want to check prior to typing

Yes. You have been all polite. At least you did not turn this into an entire conversation about grain bins...

 

[Kurt Helgerson]

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Philbert

They should discount them for those sharing the name. It would be nice.

 

[ZinTrees]

Probably not a good idea for you for a couple reasons, mainly you are too young to have a legal firearm

depends on the state laws, here in TN anyone can own a shotgun or rifle so long as they aren't a felon, no minimum age, you cant "buy" it till you are 18, but it can be a gift

 

[user 188535]

depends on the state laws, here in TN anyone can own a shotgun or rifle so long as they aren't a felon, no minimum age, you cant "buy" it till you are 18, but it can be a gift

What about a nuclear weapon?

 

[capetrees]

Read it says not corn. But further more you older fellows need to be a bit kinder to the young fellow. Sorry if that has ruffled any feathers. But kindness is a virtue.

We're being kind, none of us a jealous at all. We're just supplying advice and insight from all the mistakes we've collectively experienced. Hopefully, that will allow him to NOT make the mistakes we made and have a better shop for it if he chooses to take any of the advice or ideas.

 

[Bill G]

We're being kind, none of us a jealous at all. We're just supplying advice and insight from all the mistakes we've collectively experienced. Hopefully, that will allow him to NOT make the mistakes we made and have a better shop for it if he chooses to take any of the advice or ideas.

That is exactly right! I have never met anyone that could honestly say after building a shop, shed, house, etc that they did not wish they had done something differently. In 1993 we put up a 60'x 104' It had 16' ceilings and I wanted to put in radiant floor heating. Dad wanted a radiant heat tube on the ceiling. He won out. The one end door location turned out to be horrible as well as the exhaust fan location. You learn from your mistakes and those of others.

 

[DP425]

I don’t know if anyone mentioned it or not, but if you didn’t used joist hangers, you should probably consider crawling under there and installing one on each joist end.

 

[user 188535]

I don’t know if anyone mentioned it or not, but if you didn’t used joist hangers, you should probably consider crawling under there and installing one on each joist end.

It's completely made with spax power lags. They are the exact same screws that people use to attach a deck to a house.

 

[ZinTrees]

It's completely made with spax power lags. They are the exact same screws that people use to attach a deck to a house.

decks get joist hangers too, supposed to use nails for framing because nails bend and screws snap under shear load

 

[Bill G]

decks get joist hangers too, supposed to use nails for framing because nails bend and screws snap under shear load

I use hangers wherever I can

 

[ZinTrees]

I use hangers wherever I can

as you are supposed to, they are cheap cheap
the deck on my house was built back in 1980 by an "engineer"
they bought one hanger per joist, so theres a 2x4 every other joist holding them up...

 

[DP425]

It's completely made with spax power lags. They are the exact same screws that people use to attach a deck to a house.

So this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the strength of wood.

If you’re splitting a log, do you strike it in the end, with the grain? Or do you strike it in the middle, perpendicular to the grain?

You strike it in the end, with the grain. Why do you think that is?

Because there isn’t much strength on sharp point loads placed along the grain.

Those lag screws will act like a splitting maul. You’re spread apart the end grain, and when it fully dries out, and a load is applied, the ends will split.

This is why joists are never end nailed for structural support. Those lag screws are actually probably worse, because it’s a lot larger diameter. Nails often will bend and the joist will sink before it splits.

All joists must have the bottom edge resting on support- that can be a beam, or it can be a load bearing rim joist via joist hangers. Under most conditions, a 2x joist will require end support of 1.5” minimum.

To do this RIGHT, that rim joist would need to be doubled 2x, and your hanger would need to be put in with 3” hanger nails. But, given the lighter loads this flooring is likely to experience, a single 2x with 1-½” hanger nails should suffice.

Either way, end nailing or screwing joists for load bearing purposes is a gross code violation, were this an inspectable build, and it’s just a general failure to meet good building practices.

Not trying to be hard on you here, but if something is worth doing, it’s worth doing RIGHT, and having this knowledge may very well serve you greatly in the future, should you ever do work on a home.

 

[user 188535]

as you are supposed to, they are cheap cheap
the deck on my house was built back in 1980 by an "engineer"
they bought one hanger per joist, so theres a 2x4 every other joist holding them up...

Well. My dad is a general contractor and he approved the design before I put it together. It will not be loaded with heavy stuff.

 

[hosocat]

Well. My dad is a general contractor and he approved the design before I put it together. It will not be loaded with heavy stuff.

Good job on shed, metsa. It will serve you well for years, I'm sure. And it certainly is an improvement over dragging everything from the garage to the tailgate of a pickup truck with an extension cord for power, which is my current workshop!

How do you like the dremel drill press? I'm thinking of getting one.

 

[DP425]

Well. My dad is a general contractor and he approved the design before I put it together. It will not be loaded with heavy stuff.

Well, I’ve seen a lot of contractors do some pretty questionable **** (and outright violations)… like end nailing unsupported joists…

 

[user 188535]

Good job on shed, metsa. It will serve you well for years, I'm sure. And it certainly is an improvement over dragging everything from the garage to the tailgate of a pickup truck with an extension cord for power, which is my current workshop!

How do you like the dremel drill press? I'm thinking of getting one.

I love it. I rarely use it for the function of a drill press. I usually use it to hang my flex shaft from.