idiot tree service video

[voxac30dude]

this made me laugh. these guys are scary and i would never hire them.
1. no hard hats
2. climber is in the wrong position to make his final cut
3. that is way to big of a top to drop off that skinny leader
4. climber had no helmet
god this coulda been bad but thank god it wasn't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrDf6w3FHYQ&feature=related

 

[tree MDS]

Looks like he should have had a better (sharper) saw/cut faster.

 

[lone wolf]

the saw cutting slow was the first thing and that size wood is pushing your luck and I wonder how they did on the other trees the may have cut there not on the video that were closer to the house? oh and a helmet wont help this guy .no one else there had the sense to tell him the piece was to big and dangerous amateurs I say.

 

[Nailsbeats]

Yup, he wasn't in control at all. Hard to tell everything by the video, but he for sure wasn't in the right spot to finnish that cut (the orbital rodeo proved that), the pull probably wasn't steady,strong, and fast enough and his hinge failed (probably due to gun and height of his notch) and it broke over the side. Hate to armchair arborist the guy, but that was bad.

 

[boutselis]

I know I don't belong here

but why wouldn't he pull the entire thing over by cut it near the bottom?

 

[treemandan]

I know I don't belong here

but why wouldn't he pull the entire thing over by cut it near the bottom?

Probably not enough room. I have notched tons of things out bigger than that without a problem. And a lot of guys can pull something like that off, I'm not really bragging. I don't see where he went wrong, maybe just cutting it to slow is right. Looks like something that would go nicely, I dunno.

 

[keith811]

he looked like he was in a good spot to wind up with a bad head injury. He was very lucky he didn't end up on the groud after the top turned loose.

 

[voxac30dude]

here on Maui I've seen something similar. this cowboy with a chainsaw was blowing out the top of a 90 foot coco palm. when he made his final cut and the top started to fall the whole stem started swaying like 10 feet to each side.
the guys spikes kicked out and he slipped down like 30 feet before he somehow with the luck of god gripped the stem and stopped himself from plummeting to his doom.

 

[lone wolf]

and the other thing I noticed is the chipper is running so all communications are out when he is making an important cut.

 

[Rftreeman]

I'm with Dan on this one, I've dropped bigger tops than that and had my spikes kick out at the same time but i would consider myself an idiot because it happened nor do I consider anyone else and idiot when it happens, it happens.....

now if he would have dropped the top on to the roof then I'd called him an idiot, as for the chipper running, if you have guys that work together everyday and know the routine then that's not a big deal as long as there is eye contact and hand signals, yes I said hand signals plus he could of had a 2 way radio...

 

[treevet]

looked like a decent shot to me. he may/should have had his buck strap wrapped around the stem. that way you stay there no matter what. everybody has been slapped around from time to time blowing a big top out.

 

[capetrees]

I agree that the chainsaw seemed dull, long time to get through a small tree. What seems to be obvious is that the tree let go when he wasn't ready for it. seemed to be caught off guard thus the kickout and the dropped saw (still running I assume). If anyone knows when it's going to go, it should be the guy next to the cut. And are the guys on the ground part of the crew or are they just watching? Hand signals might be good for an experienced crew but not this gang.

 

[treemandan]

Yes, the thing was weighted to fall on the roof and the pull had to compensated along with the hinge. Can't really see how the hinge was placed. Maybe it seemed like a long cut because of valid reasons. The backcut seemed quick, maybe to quick, maybe to big of a notch. I will cut from the side position of a notch and do so often. I would say Homey was sleeping on the job, wasn't sunk in deep enough on the spar and was not even expecting anything eradict... not good.

I also think the hinge might have broke a little to soon. It looks like I would have cut it lower for more holding wood in the hinge. Maybe just a few feet or so would have made the difference.No not maybe, it would have and it looked like there was room to fit a longer piece.
I slip, haven't slipped like that in a long time even when getting hammered, but just the other day I slipped of the fat maple trunk about 15 feet above the ground. I was trying to go up but lost my grip with my hands... oh well, good thing I was on belay. And I certainly don't slip when I am cheek deep into money cuts.
I also wouldn't really call this guy an idiot even though he should have been a little more ready. Sure I will make em shut the machines down if there is something I want to get across, I'm not bashful.
You wanna make fun of this guy? Ok, I need to see you in action then. But he should have a hat cause he should know that stuff just might happen.

 

[treemandan]

this made me laugh. these guys are scary and i would never hire them.
1. no hard hats
2. climber is in the wrong position to make his final cut
3. that is way to big of a top to drop off that skinny leader
4. climber had no helmet
god this coulda been bad but thank god it wasn't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrDf6w3FHYQ&feature=related

You didn't actually laugh did you?

 

[NCTREE]

Looks ok to me, I think his groundies had to much pull on it though. Looks like it had enough weight going the way he wanted it to fall. Just a little tension on the rope, a thin notch, and a sharp saw and it wouldn't have jacked his azz so much.

 

[treemandan]

Looks ok to me, I think his groundies had to much pull on it though. Looks like it had enough weight going the way he wanted it to fall. Just a little tension on the rope, a thin notch, and a sharp saw and it wouldn't have jacked his azz so much.

That top was weighted smack dab at the roof. Looks like they pulled it 90 degrees from its lean/weighted side .When it came off you can see it. He was on the unweighted side as he cut, probably not a bad place to be right then. HE was probably thinking if it broke any sooner it would fall on him if he was back there when he cut. The guys were just about able to pull it where it needed to drop. Do you know what I am saying?

 

[NCTREE]

That top was weighted smack dab at the roof. Looks like they pulled it 90 degrees from its lean/weighted side .When it came off you can see it. He was on the unweighted side as he cut, probably not a bad place to be right then. HE was probably thinking if it broke any sooner it would fall on him if he was back there when he cut. The guys were just about able to pull it where it needed to drop. Do you know what I am saying?

No I do not...yes is had a little weight towards the house and also towards where they were dropping it. For god sake it's pine that #### goes anywhere you want it to go. I don't think he needed four guys pulling on that rope to get the tiny little top over. The shock is from the tension they had on the rope more than the top coming over. Then again it is a youtube video hard tell.

 

[treemandan]

No I do not...yes is had a little weight towards the house and also towards where they were dropping it. For god sake it's pine that #### goes anywhere you want it to go. I don't think he needed four guys pulling on that rope to get the tiny little top over. The shock is from the tension they had on the rope more than the top coming over. Then again it is a youtube video hard tell.

Yes, hard to tell exactly all what went on. But I would think with all them guys pulling it would have come over quicker. Maybe they all weren't pulling. maybe just anchoring, maybe they weren't paying attention cause like I said if they were PULLING I think that top would have flew outta there right at the the guys on the ground, not come over slow and drop to the side of the pull line. I dunno though.
You know I have been notching out pine tops a good bit now but I don't seem to recall a whole lot of trunk sway when I did it. I have seen it but not experianced it, a little. And that really wasn't that much sway in that video right? I usually humbolt something like that.
I have to say a good running saw makes the cut, I don't think it would be possible without one that could be precisely controlled. It did seem to me the backcut went quick. I think the face cut took a little time but there could be a reason for that. Its possible he took to much out.
Looking at the video a few more times and thinking about it I just think he wasn't sunk in and ready, maybe tired. When movement began he was forced to the front, then back. I wouldn't think that little bit of movement would budge me.

 

[treemandan]

And your right; pine goes where you want it. But only if you notch it right ( don't need to tell you that though).

 

[treevet]

the more I look at it I say he missed the notch with the back cut on the side away from him and the top fell off the side away from because of holding wood....pulling him that way and when it released it flung him back the opp. way.

No biggie....plenty of room for error, just so the boy didn't let it go backwards.