It's not the ethenol!!

[bwalker]

No, it doesn't. The energy locked up in ethanol ultimately comes from the sun. The current processes use many technologies to avoid losses. Some of these include mechanical vapor recompression, pressure swing absorption, vapor scavenging, etc. Do some research.

I mean the same could be said for coal and crude oil.

 

[Bill G]

It is not the enemy. But it can be a problem in certain applications. Small engines left idle for long times may be one of them. I woud be curious if anyone has seen an independent study of Ethanol Shield.

As I said......

Ethanol is not the enemy!
Misinformation and the lack of common sense is.

Common sense should tell a person not to leave fuel in a tank long periods

 

[Bill G]

I will add that there is no additive that will actually remove the lead. At most, additives may reduce deposit build-up in the engine.

Hell I remember adding lead when "regular" was outlawed.
I know Dad went nuts when they outlawed it.
He bought a new 1978 Ford F-150 because that was the last year of ones that burned "regular"
It along with everything else is still running.

 

[Bill G]

I always thought e10 or whatever amount was mandated in our fuel for consumer use was because corn grows every year and dinosaurs don’t.
We now or may have to decide do we fill our gas tank or our bellies with food-lol
Not being political in this comment

If you do not like ethanol do not buy it
This is a free country

 

[Bill G]

I've cleaned out plenty of gummed up carburetors treated with everything under the sun. Seafom, Sta-Bil, etc..

Mechanic in a can products only help to a point - beyond that there is no help, which is why I push E0.


If it wasn't political, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts would have E0 and off-road #2 diesel available at every gas station. Neither is available at ANY station ... except outside of New England, or in northern NH or ME.

I live in "corn country" and we have non-ethanol available at damn near every station
We have "red" off road diesel at the pump.
In the summer we have CAM2/Turbo Blue race fuel at the pump

 

[cscltd]

If you do not like ethanol do not buy it
This is a free country

my bad, in ontario canada, we dont have a choice anymore starting last year i think. i forgot other parts do have that option.

 

[Hermio]

I get all that, but supply and demand is a thing. Wether the corn is exported or not matters little. Corn is a globally traded commodity like oil.
Let's say ethanol went away over night. What you would see is corn prices plummet, then stabilize. Wheat and soybean production would increase on acres formerly planted in corn, which would cause their prices to lower. Meat prices would then also go down. And so on.

Yes, but the point I am making is that the supply has far outstripped the demand created by the corn ethanol business. If we suddenly stopped all corn to ethanol production, there would be a surplus of corn, but it would be temporary. Farmers would plant something else rather than take a low price on corn. The market would stabilize with less corn grown and the corn prices would go up again.

 

[Bill G]

At this point, there is not really a battle of food vs fuel. Corn yield has increased so much that the net corn yield after ethanol production has increased dramatically. Moreover, only the starch portion of the corn kernel is converted to sugar and then to ethanol. The rest is used to make high-protein feed supplements, which are actually more nutritious than ground corn. We could actually develop biotechnology to make petroleum, by the way. An organism has been discovered which actually makes petroleum. It was found near oil wells and was able to make petroleum in a laboratory setting. The problem is that the natural organism did so very slowly. But microbiologists are very good at modifying organisms to make them do what they do much faster. But they need funding for that, and no one seems to want to fund such research.

I chuckle at the folks that whine saying the production of grain alcohol burns more fuel that it produces.
Do they really think that is all the corn is used for......

 

[Hermio]

I live in "corn country" and we have non-ethanol available at damn near every station
We have "red" off road diesel at the pump.
In the summer we have CAM2/Turbo Blue race fuel at the pump

Here in Ohio, I am surrounded by farmers who grow corn. But the nearest E0 dealer is about 30 miles away in a different county. We do have red off-road diesel, but if caught with it in an on-road vehicle (as in an accident which causes fuel leakage), the fines are huge.

 

[Bill G]

I get all that, but supply and demand is a thing. Wether the corn is exported or not matters little. Corn is a globally traded commodity like oil.
Let's say ethanol went away over night. What you would see is corn prices plummet, then stabilize. Wheat and soybean production would increase on acres formerly planted in corn, which would cause their prices to lower. Meat prices would then also go down. And so on.

The economy would tank.
Great idea!!!!!

 

[Hermio]

The economy would tank.
Great idea!!!!!

Just a hypothetical case. No one is suggesting that we actually do that.

 

[Bill G]

Yes, but the point I am making is that the supply has far outstripped the demand created by the corn ethanol business. If we suddenly stopped all corn to ethanol production, there would be a surplus of corn, but it would be temporary. Farmers would plant something else rather than take a low price on corn. The market would stabilize with less corn grown and the corn prices would go up again.

Such as?

 

[bwalker]

The economy would tank.
Great idea!!!!!

Yea, no.

 

[bwalker]

Such as?

Wheat, Beans, etc.

 

[bwalker]

Just a hypothetical case. No one is suggesting that we actually do that.

Realistically it would be phased out over the course of years. And this is the problem with government distorting markets.

 

[Hermio]

Such as?

You really asked that question? There are many options besides corn that a farmer may choose to plant.

 

[Mad Professor]

I run ethanol free gas with 2-stroke mix and sta-bil in a new epa can that might (???) prevent VOC's from causing the gas to go stale?

That gas is like a year old and I have no problems with carbs, performance, or anything.

I am sure the EPA can helps. For convenience, I make up my 2-cycle fuel a gallon at a time, and I use the Husqvarna Combi-can in the field. It is pretty air-tight, but not as much as a metal can. But having the fuel and oil in once container is nice, and the spill-proof nozzles really work, though the oil flow is slow in cold weather.

Try using recycled metal 1-gal Coleman fuel cans. Totally sealed from atmosphere.

 

[echomeister]

Mite grow that narrow leaf tobacco

 

[Mad Professor]

I've cleaned out plenty of gummed up carburetors treated with everything under the sun. Seafom, Sta-Bil, etc..

Mechanic in a can products only help to a point - beyond that there is no help, which is why I push E0.


If it wasn't political, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts would have E0 and off-road #2 diesel available at every gas station. Neither is available at ANY station ... except outside of New England, or in northern NH or ME.

I get E0 at Stewart's in Pownal and Bennington Vt, NY state Stewart's too.

mASSachusetts is well. mASSachusetts. Beacon Hill politicians have ruined the state.

 

[SS396driver]

I get E0 at Stewart's in Pownal and Bennington Vt, NY state Stewart's too.

mASSachusetts is well. mASSachusetts. Beacon Hill politicians have ruined the state.

Stewart’s and Sinclair both have non e fuel in my county (ulster) but you go to the southern counties neither sell it