Jack, I didn't know of to send you a picture in the private message. So here is a picture of the biner setup I had. Yes it is aluminum. The captive eye biner is an ISC available at Sherrill. The cord I gave you was some personal escape rope for firefighting I believe it is 7.5 made by blue water.
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Is the "FH Twist" pic title, because of a half hitch (Knut like) tending hitch at the base of the VT, opr the way the lower coil's leg runs straight, as upper twists around??
i'm familiar with something similar, nice pic!
i'm familiar with something similar, nice pic!
jkrueger
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feet
..., working the friction hitch with ones feet. It's something all it's own to learn.
Thanks again for all the info and hints.
Best,
Jack
..., working the friction hitch with ones feet. It's something all it's own to learn.
Thanks again for all the info and hints.
Best,
Jack
Tom Dunlap
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Why are you using a biner-biner chain? I get nervous seeing setups like that.
Tom
Tom
Its just a comfortable setup for me. I don't like having me spliced eye and cord on the same biner. Yet I don't like having two biners snaped to my bridge just floating around. Its just a set up a learned from Roachy a few years back. I use to use two biners in a quick draw type setup and liked this one better. How is this set up unsafe besides the little wear that may occur from the two metal rubbing together?
jkrueger
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FH twist
OK, great, today I didn't have a tender pulley for the hitch and I used what you showed in the FH twist pic. And wow, it followed my foot locking and movements like a dream. It was automatic. And I had to do very little attending to the hitch like a reg VT.
Desending was precise, no hard then soft with the hitch. GREAT!
I'm getting the biner with the eye like in your pics. I see how fast that can be with the split tail etc. I know some have a fear of biner to biner, and since I was once the owner and main operator of a machine and welding biz in NYC taking care of tugs cranes and barges I do have a clear understanding of metal to metal.
The aluminum used in the biners is very special regarding wear from friction both metal to metal, rope and heat.
Jack
OK, great, today I didn't have a tender pulley for the hitch and I used what you showed in the FH twist pic. And wow, it followed my foot locking and movements like a dream. It was automatic. And I had to do very little attending to the hitch like a reg VT.
Desending was precise, no hard then soft with the hitch. GREAT!
I'm getting the biner with the eye like in your pics. I see how fast that can be with the split tail etc. I know some have a fear of biner to biner, and since I was once the owner and main operator of a machine and welding biz in NYC taking care of tugs cranes and barges I do have a clear understanding of metal to metal.
The aluminum used in the biners is very special regarding wear from friction both metal to metal, rope and heat.
Jack
jkrueger
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WOW, that hitch you showed me is the greatest. Better than early retirement with unlimited cash.
Jack
Jack
TreeJunkie
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I'm a little confused as to the advantage of the biner set up photo? What is the advantage of the two connecting? Length? Twist? I'm confused....
murphy4trees
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The two biners allow the climber to isolate the eye on one biner and the tresse cord and micro pulley on the other...
I like it that way too... easy to clip and unclip eye when moving the TIP etc..
I like it that way too... easy to clip and unclip eye when moving the TIP etc..
Nickrosis
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But why that method instead of having two separate biners attached to the D(s)?
murphy4trees
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It's one biner sliding along the bridge of the saddle. By having the pulley and tresse cord attached to the upper biner, the orientation to the standing end of the line is rotated 90*, which also seems to work out well... Without a friction saver, it doesn't work to tie into seperate Ds.. Jon may have more to add.. You just gotta try it and see what you like..
jkrueger
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It seems that this is a choice if you are using a Butterfly or Glide saddle where the biners are sliding around on a bridge.
For me, the Glide, the hitch biner was always hanging at the spliced end of the bridge and then letting go. Didn't like that. Even with the Glides pulley one wants to be able to separate the 2 lines as used in the split tail.
This is how I see it, others may have more informed reasoning.
Jack
TreeJunkie
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which biner has the captive eye, climbing line, running through it?
jkrueger
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The first one to the bridge and then the hitch biner connects to the eye. That is what I saw and am using. (see first post with pic)
Jack
blue
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tried the hitch in big johns 3rd pic today in a small take down.took about 10 mins to get used to it.wow i think the old blake's hitch is redundant.the other climber who works with me had a go and he liked the slacktending ease but couldn't get on with the pantin but with a bit of practice i reckon he'll be ok,hell 2 years ago he hadn't even done much lowering now i've got him using pulleys,porti's,speed lining,grillons on his harness,ascenders,etc.
all i gotta do now is teach him how to use a saw proparly
we even got the groundie (who is learning to climb) to have a go and even he thought it was easier
the only thing i found strange was not knowing what to do with my hands during ascent i kept wanting to grab hold of the knot to slide it(gettin little finger caught in pulley twice has cured this though) hey 15 years of climbing on prussicks and blakes old habits take some breaking.
next on the list will be a friction saver with pulley.i'll be able to fart my way up a ree with that set-up.just imagine boss say's"you gotta do a big tree tomorrow" i say's "great i'm goin for a curry tonight"
all i gotta do now is teach him how to use a saw proparly
we even got the groundie (who is learning to climb) to have a go and even he thought it was easier
the only thing i found strange was not knowing what to do with my hands during ascent i kept wanting to grab hold of the knot to slide it(gettin little finger caught in pulley twice has cured this though)
hey 15 years of climbing on prussicks and blakes old habits take some breaking.next on the list will be a friction saver with pulley.i'll be able to fart my way up a ree with that set-up.just imagine boss say's"you gotta do a big tree tomorrow" i say's "great i'm goin for a curry tonight"
