Knotless rigging

[JBA]

Site rookie here looking for advice. All the removals I have done so far has been natural crotch rigging with 3 strand rope. What's would be a good setup for going knot less? Any big advantages with one setup over the other. Thanks for any and all advice in advance.

 

[NYTREECLIMBER]

Knot less rigging is just a way of speeding up things no not to tie for the climber and the same for the groundie . Lots of choices and all depending on size weight of pieces being lowered . For smaller stuff you can use loop runners and a carabiner ,you can girth hitch a loopie sling around limbs and logs. You can knotless rig and still natural crotch. I know for me I used to natural crotch everything when I was still green and then moved on to using blocks and then multiple blocks and multiple redirects. How long have you been climbing and is there another climber with some experience that can help you on the job?


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[JBA]

Knot less rigging is just a way of speeding up things no not to tie for the climber and the same for the groundie . Lots of choices and all depending on size weight of pieces being lowered . For smaller stuff you can use loop runners and a carabiner ,you can girth hitch a loopie sling around limbs and logs. You can knotless rig and still natural crotch. I know for me I used to natural crotch everything when I was still green and then moved on to using blocks and then multiple blocks and multiple redirects. How long have you been climbing and is there another climber with some experience that can help you on the job?


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About two and a half years climbing experience. Not my full time gig. Carpenters Union pays the bills. Learned from a family member that was totally old school compared to what I read about here and see in the catalogs. Not doing a ton of work but a decent amount for friends and family. Just saw how much friction burn was on the poplar I took down yesterday and have to think that pulleys would be a little easier on my ropes.

 

[NYTREECLIMBER]

About two and a half years climbing experience. Not my full time gig. Carpenters Union pays the bills. Learned from a family member that was totally old school compared to what I read about here and see in the catalogs. Not doing a ton of work but a decent amount for friends and family. Just saw how much friction burn was on the poplar I took down yesterday and have to think that pulleys would be a little easier on my ropes.

Pulleys will help your ropes last longer but the three strand your using is good for natural crotching but not so much for use in a pulley, three strand tends to twist in a pulley . There is tons of videos on you tube about rigging that might help you out some that come to mind are from Reg Coates - thexmanjdd and Lawrenceshultz3000


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[JBA]

Thanks for the info. Going to scour you tube for some ideas

 

[Pelorus]

Get a copy of Jepson's "Tree Climber's Companion" and learn yourself some knots!
Are you using a portawrap?

 

[JBA]

Not using a ports wrap . Like I mentioned, learned from a way old school old timer

 

[lone wolf]

Op why do you want a knot less rigging setup? I don t think it saves any time .

 

[Pelorus]

Using an arborist block and a porty is going to be easier on you, the rope, and the tree.
You gotta work smart not hard. The work is hard enough even if you work smart.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Knotless rigging is unsafe and the mark of an amateur, IMEO. Learn to tie a running bowline and take the time to show the groundies how to tie it.

 

[Groundman One]

I'm for knots. Can't do trees without knots.

You don't have to know a lot of knots, but you ones you do know your have to know perfectly.

 

[lone wolf]

I'm for knots. Can't do trees without knots.

You don't have to know a lot of knots, but you ones you do know your have to know perfectly.

Its knot hard to learn a few knots

 

[Groundman One]

Its knot hard to learn a few knots

Eeeeee-yuck-yuck-yuck-yuck-yuck!

 

[Zale]

For light rigging it can speed things up a bit. I would not use it for heavy rigging. If you are burning up your ropes, consider taking smaller pieces.

 

[JBA]

Did actually glaze a three strand on the last poplar we took down. But we were dropping a good size lead.

 

[deevo]

For light to medium rigging I picked up a backbone from sherrill after seeing it in action at the tcia expo, very good for pine removals, balancing etc.... You can put ( well we do) 5 branches at a time on it, have more slings on you, and when the groundless are undoing the pieces you just sent down you already have whatever's next rigged up and ready to go! Quick and easy especially for the greener groundies! And yes we use a block with it and porty depending on the weight. True knot less rigging

 

[szajer]

I'm a big fan of using rigging slings, carabiners and spider legs for knot less rigging.



Anything real big, I'll tie a clove on the tip -and a whoopie sling with a block and bull rope for the butt.

I rarely use natural crotching —since the blocks run flawlessly -and save ropes from wear.

 

[Ryan Shaw]

For light to medium rigging I picked up a backbone from sherrill after seeing it in action at the tcia expo, very good for pine removals, balancing etc.... You can put ( well we do) 5 branches at a time on it, have more slings on you, and when the groundless are undoing the pieces you just sent down you already have whatever's next rigged up and ready to go! Quick and easy especially for the greener groundies! And yes we use a block with it and porty depending on the weight. True knot less rigging

I just checked those out, they look super useful and effective. Nice time saver for $100

 

[Eduard]

I prefer knotless rigging. I'll put slings on the next pieces I want to cut, then when the rope comes back up just clip the carabiner on and I'm ready to cut.

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