Lets get this party started...

[NeTree]

must be nice to still be climbing in a T-shirt...

Good pics!

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Water oaks and willow oaks are so easy to climb and prune into a good shape, whacking one for the sake of a lawn is the height of stupidity. The tree service that contracts to pander to this idiocy instead of selling a prune job at a fraction of the cost is grubbing money either out of greed or because they can't see the potential in the "problem" tree. they need someone to pry their :Eye: open.

"I do understand both sides of the coin."
Do you want to reach for their heads, or grab what comes out of their tails? Visualize that.

"if you don't do it, they will just get someone else."
Or someone will reach their heads.
Or maybe mb will show his bosses some before-and-after shots of prune jobs so they can sell work on the same tree indefinitely instead of just once.

This cut-and-run kind of "service" on trees is exactly what the Brazilians, and others who don't care about the world beyond their next crop, are doing to the rainforests. Lots of Americans get all upset about that, and ignore the same thing in their own towns.
Weird.:alien:

 

[kurtztree]

Hey good job MB dont look like your using all the new fangled rigging equipment. just what I like to see.

 

[MasterBlaster]

I gotta be meeeee!

Yea, Erik, the tee-shirt thing is cool. I don't see how you yankee'rs do it!

 

[NeTree]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster


Yea, Erik, the tee-shirt thing is cool. I don't see how you yankee'rs do it!

As fast as humanly possible.

 

[MasterBlaster]

 

[TREETX]

I know you are a gun MB, I lay more blame on the contractor.

but to say you shouldn't try to talk em out of it is pathetic at best

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by TREETX
It is pretty pathetic when your attitude comes to that. But I guess if you are a wood hick that can't explain anything, then that is what you are......

At 17, I suppose they are less likely to listen.

Having integrity looks bad

I do my share of TD but I try to lay out ALL of their options and try to match those with their goals.

Austin is such a dirt worshipping tree huggin place that it is hard to convince people to cut down dead/dying hazard trees.

Integrity doesn't look bad, as long as the customer understand that you are doing it (not removing) for a reason, and they understand the reason. I understand what I am saying (in my head).

Carl


PS Calling me a hick? Well, I guess we all have our veiws of what is pathetic. Guess we all can't live in the fab. Austin, but then again, who wants to?

 

[MasterBlaster]

Pathetic? A tad harsh, aren't we?

Trees grow like weeds in these parts. I ain't gonna argue with the contracter, they tend to not enjoy that kind of thing.

I'm there to get the tree down/trimmed.

Until I have my own tree business, which I DON'T want, I have to chill a bit on projecting my personal tree philosophy on the contractors I sub out to.

Canyadigit?

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Trees grow like weeds in these parts.
that water oak was older than you are. It won't be replaced in your lifetime; even if you toss the marlboros you won't live lomg enough to grow another one.

I ain't gonna argue with the contracter, they tend to not enjoy that kind of thing.
You like to pick hassles online but not in reallife; understandable cuz you're at a safe(r) distance. So don't argue, educate! Show em what great work you can do pruning, and how that can build their business. You can use all your newfound gizmos and techniques to get into position to make good cuts. You know how to use a camera. There you go; all you need now is the will.

I have to chill a bit on projecting my personal tree philosophy on the contractors I sub out to. Canyadigit?

Ohellno, daddy-o. Someone of your caliber doin' whatever Massa say, takin's what comes out the tail end? Separating your philosophy from your work? Why hate what you do, when you can change it?

O and treetx, let's not get too elitist with the pathetic hick talk. In Raleigh and Austin you and I may have a slightly higher % of clients who value trees, but we're all in the same uno mundo, full of folks who need a light shone on tree values to see them.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

I gotta say, all that old school climbing and rigging is hilarious.
Some guys never leave the past...it's cool to see history being keep alive though.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Uhhhh, okay, Guy.



Thanks, Mike. Thats what I'm here for! :angel:

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

That 'cut-it' is an occasion; without block option(or perhaps in tandem with); that i'd rather lace the line down the back, around a stob on side(for increased friction area and pressure/bent line around stob); rather than run line over itself(if i see pic right). On the load; i'd seek 1-2 half hitches before a running bowline; i'd prolly cut lil'kerf 'ears' low to lay 1 half hitch into just over cut.

i've always drilled myself to never rub the lines and precede bowline or any kind of eye/joint with a half hitch to form extra choke grab, and take stress off joint/final termination. Accepting a loop sling/ locking carabiner as also a double grab with extra security in time; but sometimes preceding that with a half hitch. SWL is about overkill i think! Or is that S&SWL (Safe & Secure Work Load?)

i really don't remember doing those 2 functions any different;that is just the way i've always thought was most positive, in the same approximate set of motions.

Jest my 2 cents;
no need to feel short changed!!

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by Guy Meilleur
Ohellno, daddy-o. Someone of your caliber doin' whatever Massa say, takin's what comes out the tail end? Separating your philosophy from your work? Why hate what you do, when you can change it?

Ohellno.... doin what the massa say... that is what he is paid to do, he doesn't want to mess with the whole buisness, he wants to do his job, get paid, and go home and take a nap. If you take a minute to think, what if your groundy says that he doesn't want to do his job because he doesn't agree, the work will still get done, and he accomplished nothing.

But what comes out of the tail is what pays the bill. If you piss them off, they call someone else. Tree still gets cut, and you still have bills.

Oh, and if Butch was contracting for me, and he kept givin me grief about cutting down trees, I would tell him to either work, doin what I tell him, or work somewhere else. Why would Butch bite the (a) hand that feeds him? Doesn't make sense to me. He doesn't have to like it, just do it, because we need money (don't we all?).

Just because you hate something doesn't mean you loose sleep, expecially at yalls age.


Carl

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by RockyJSquirrel
...you and I did not see eye to eye on a few jobs but they got done your way regardless of my opinion. You didn't listen to me then and you probably wouldn't listen to me now. The more I tried to explain to you, the less you listened...

My point taken out of Rocky's post (out of context). Didn't see eye to eye with customer. Job was still done to the customers liking. Tried to explain more, they listen even less. That is when arguring with the customer makes you look bad (your integrity). Then they don't call you later because of all the headaches.


Carl

 

[NeTree]

Carl, as you gain experience you'll know when they're willing to listen and when you'll just be wasting your breath. Usually you can tell within the first few minutes which it will be.

Teach those who'll listen, let the others bake in the sun. I've got kids to feed.

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by netree
Carl, as you gain experience you'll know when they're willing to listen and when you'll just be wasting your breath. Usually you can tell within the first few minutes which it will be.

Teach those who'll listen, let the others bake in the sun. I've got kids to feed.

I know when to talk, and when to shut up,normally (gotta remember the girls I hang with, don't want to get boring). I have been dealing with customers extensivly since I was 12.

My point was either you do it, or someone else will (on customers that didn't listen), and it makes you look bad for refusing. "The customer is always right," which normally applys.


Carl

 

[NickfromWI]

So what if the customer wants you to top a tree for them?

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by NickfromWI
So what if the customer wants you to top a tree for them?

That is why I said normally. There is an exception to every rule (customer is right).

Another note on topping. What if a customer askes you to re-top a tree that was topped 10 years ago by somone else? She knows what will happen with regards to the trees apperance, but she wants it done anyway. All you would be able to say is no, but she wouldn't understand why you won't because it has worked before.

Carl

 

[NeTree]

My company policy prohibits topping. It's also a violation of my cert. ethics. Sorry!