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Guy Meilleur
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I hate to bore ya with the same question Butch, but why'd that one come down?
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Same old ignorant story. The fool.. er, owner of the business was worried the tree would 'hurt' his building. Instead of opting for proper pruning/ maintainance, he choose to look at blue sky.
The tree was a perfectly healthy 60 - 80 year old Water Oak.
You'ld suffer a stroke if you saw all the trees I de-construct on a routine basis. It seems like I do less and less trimming, and a whole lot more TD's lately.
I don't like it, but I gotta work.
But ya know? I really don't like it!
I need to learn Murph's tobacco ritual...
The tree was a perfectly healthy 60 - 80 year old Water Oak.
You'ld suffer a stroke if you saw all the trees I de-construct on a routine basis. It seems like I do less and less trimming, and a whole lot more TD's lately.
I don't like it, but I gotta work.
But ya know? I really don't like it!
I need to learn Murph's tobacco ritual...
Guy Meilleur
Addicted to ArboristSite
If that's true, and your skills are in demand, could you start setting conditions, or educating tree owners, or something?
Too many TD's like that one will suck your soul dry. You'll freeze up inside, waking up at 3 a.m. not knowing why. Don't let it happen! Tobacco ritual?
NeTree
Addicted to ArboristSite
Originally posted by MasterBlaster
I notice a lot of you leave stubs during your takedown - any reason why?
Stubs = PITA!!!
Can't speak for anyone else, but I leave stubs when working anything with only one main stem (such as pine) for two reasons:
1) If I gaff out while working my way up, it's nice to know I'm only gonna nut-slide 5 or 10 feet, not the whole 60 or 70.
2) If I'm using my flipline AND a lifeline, it gives me something to tie my lifeline to, even though I'm working 5 or 10 above it.
Some guys like clean smooth poles, some don't. I guess it's a personal preferance thing.
No snickering.
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Actually, I guess you couldn't see it. That was the property line of a VERY large business, the building to the left of it is part of the whole complex, called ' American Tire Wholesale' Definitely not a decrepit old building.
Guy, trees are waycool, but I'm not gonna feel frozen with a sucked-up soul.
Sorry.
Guy, trees are waycool, but I'm not gonna feel frozen with a sucked-up soul.
Sorry.
Lumberjack
Banned
oooooooouuuuuucccchhhhhhhh!
If it aint, then he will be left with a sub flushed anatomy, which I could understand, would make life suck Then again, you still would have life.
Carl
Yin and Yang,
Zen Climber;
Sometimes a stub can be your friend,
(Preferably out of lowering paths though!)
depending on if you let it stand
fer or against ya!
Sometimes i'll leave them to use on return trip down, for lanyard. Pretty smooth, keeping lanyard snapped to both D's, and just throwing roundturn/choking loop of lanyard over for positive lock. Especially if blocking out on trip down.
Also, use their pattern like friction rack, boat cleat, porty for tie offs, friction. Especially a strong fork stubbed on both ears.
Sometimes cutting one stob long is my ladder step to next target where there was not a stepping stool before. Sometimes, that takes cutting a small notch for foot step to top of stob. I take all the help i can; my legs are so short they barely reach the ground when i stand!
Maybe a packrat mentality, but i make sure i can't use the stubbs, before i throw'em away!
On felling, i've used longer stub on face side weakened to fold/shear dissipating some force of fall. Mostly leave a clean flat landing face and might leave some on backside that would be riskier/more time consuming removing/rigging in air, than plucking off back of downed beast, with same ground concussion.
Another strategy, though for sound ground that doesn't matter is to leave some stubs on center face of the fall's footprint. Then, in bucking; work the heavy, downed end of the seesaw formed, letting the ballast of the other end keep your saw from binding, by taking just right pieces, that as the end your cutting peels off the other end sinks........lifting slightly the cutting end at last seperating threads then go work that other end now sunk, likewise. Sometimes a lil wedging needed, or cutting to a bottom 'corner'; rather than straight down into meanest part of gravity powered pinch; as accesory during the fact strategies. Anyway, a lot of times if i can get any size log to seesaw back and forth on a pivot helping me buck it easier i use it; even if it is laying it down on logs or leaving stubs on face of fall.
Orrrr ......
Zen Climber;
Sometimes a stub can be your friend,
(Preferably out of lowering paths though!)
depending on if you let it stand
fer or against ya!
Sometimes i'll leave them to use on return trip down, for lanyard. Pretty smooth, keeping lanyard snapped to both D's, and just throwing roundturn/choking loop of lanyard over for positive lock. Especially if blocking out on trip down.
Also, use their pattern like friction rack, boat cleat, porty for tie offs, friction. Especially a strong fork stubbed on both ears.
Sometimes cutting one stob long is my ladder step to next target where there was not a stepping stool before. Sometimes, that takes cutting a small notch for foot step to top of stob. I take all the help i can; my legs are so short they barely reach the ground when i stand!
Maybe a packrat mentality, but i make sure i can't use the stubbs, before i throw'em away!
On felling, i've used longer stub on face side weakened to fold/shear dissipating some force of fall. Mostly leave a clean flat landing face and might leave some on backside that would be riskier/more time consuming removing/rigging in air, than plucking off back of downed beast, with same ground concussion.
Another strategy, though for sound ground that doesn't matter is to leave some stubs on center face of the fall's footprint. Then, in bucking; work the heavy, downed end of the seesaw formed, letting the ballast of the other end keep your saw from binding, by taking just right pieces, that as the end your cutting peels off the other end sinks........lifting slightly the cutting end at last seperating threads then go work that other end now sunk, likewise. Sometimes a lil wedging needed, or cutting to a bottom 'corner'; rather than straight down into meanest part of gravity powered pinch; as accesory during the fact strategies. Anyway, a lot of times if i can get any size log to seesaw back and forth on a pivot helping me buck it easier i use it; even if it is laying it down on logs or leaving stubs on face of fall.
Orrrr ......
Guy Meilleur
Addicted to ArboristSite
Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Definitely not a decrepit old building.
OK I was wrong bout the building. But the more valuable the building, the more valuable the tree that shades it in July.
Guy, trees are waycool,
Then why are you doing more TD's? It takes a little nerve and other body parts to come onto AS and talk about TLH and whittled chainbrakes and freeclimbing. Where is that nerve when charlie's tree "service" wants to hire you to destroy a tree you think is waycool? Sold for a nickel?
You can't sell your brain by showing charlie how to sell tree care instead of staying quiet and joining in the tree gangrape? then when your body wears out whattyagonnado? Climb in pain until you drop, and die knowing you were the primary agent of deforesting Alexandria? real
That's not what I'd want to tell my grandkids. I fail to sell tree care to a % of customers; it's hard sometimes, impossible sometimes, but it's always incentive to try harder or smarter next time. If you do what you hate, is that outlaw or zen? How is that better than being a wage slave?
Eagle1
ArboristSite Operative
There will be TD in the tree business. You might never know what the home owner or business owner has in mind. Maybe he wants to ad a second floor next year, etc.
I don't think that MB should argue with a customer if the customer knows what he wants. Maybe MB suggested pruning, although that tree has gone very far. Would probley neeed to lose some leaders. He wouldn't MB for a long time.
What I am saying is everyone has to make a living. Dosn't mean that most people are money whores. It means that we are a customer based business and we have to please the customer. You can't always do what you want. I am sure MB would not walk away from THAT TD so he could sleep better.
I don't think that MB should argue with a customer if the customer knows what he wants. Maybe MB suggested pruning, although that tree has gone very far. Would probley neeed to lose some leaders. He wouldn't MB for a long time.
What I am saying is everyone has to make a living. Dosn't mean that most people are money whores. It means that we are a customer based business and we have to please the customer. You can't always do what you want. I am sure MB would not walk away from THAT TD so he could sleep better.
Guy Meilleur
Addicted to ArboristSite
Some of us are in a tree-based business--see the Tree Time thread.
You can always know what the customer wants--just ask!
"You can't always do what you want."
But if you try sometimes, you just might find you'll do what the tree needs AND give the customer what he wants. It's an effort that pays off in many ways.
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
By the time I arrive at the jobsite, the work is allready decided and the contract is signed. I have no say in the matter, just like when you rent a crane. He has no say in the specs of the job, he's there to make a lift.
More times than not, the customer isn't even home.
I don't have the financial means to refuse jobs based on my subjective morals. Maybe someday, but not today. I have to work more than a day or two a week.
Today I'm taking down an even bigger Water Oak, and there will probably be pics of that.
You might not wanna look...
I still would like to learn the tobbacco ritual.
More times than not, the customer isn't even home.
I don't have the financial means to refuse jobs based on my subjective morals. Maybe someday, but not today. I have to work more than a day or two a week.
Today I'm taking down an even bigger Water Oak, and there will probably be pics of that.
You might not wanna look...
I still would like to learn the tobbacco ritual.
Guy Meilleur
Addicted to ArboristSite
Me too; I'll try anything to save good trees, even that weed. Just so I don't have to inhale; one kind of cancer is enough for me.
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Don't look, G.
Heres the other. It was a fine tree. The guy was an idiot.
But, I guess his grass will grow now.
At least I didn't have to kill any baby squirrels!
Heres the other. It was a fine tree. The guy was an idiot.
But, I guess his grass will grow now.
At least I didn't have to kill any baby squirrels!
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
A little rigging.
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TreeHouse Elder
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TreeHouse Elder
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Eagle1
ArboristSite Operative
Nice pics + TD.
That tree was a beauty. But, we all can't live forever.
Guy is gonna love this one!!! But I do understand both sides of the coin.
Is that 2 saws you are climbing with?
That tree was a beauty. But, we all can't live forever.
Guy is gonna love this one!!! But I do understand both sides of the coin.
Is that 2 saws you are climbing with?
Lumberjack
Banned
He always climbs with his Silky and the 200T. Nice trees, but if the customer says they want them gone, and you know that if you don't do it, they will just get someone else. Plus it makes you look bad to refuse unless you can get them to think like you quickly (not likely)
Carl
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