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Same here, but I don't want my name to bring a sour taste in the customers mouth. Not meaning that I will do it, just gotta make her understand the policy:D.


Carl


PS Did you TCOB with regards to the chainsaw?
 
9 times out of 10, I can talk them out of it, or at least drop crotch it instead.

But thats taking into effect them being there for me to talk them out of it.

Like I said, when I arrive, its allready a done deal.
 
There are no crotches to drop because the tree was already topped. She wants/ed me to cut off the limb where the old sprouts started, so the proccess would start over.


Dunno, looked like it was a real pretty tree before it got hacked. Would look alot better now for sure, as it is over a patio and such.


Carl
 
Originally posted by Lumberjack
Calling me a hick?


yes, I remember you bragging about being a redneck. Who would brag about that :confused:

Guess we all can't live in the fab. Austin, but then again, who wants to?

Sorry you can't. Doubt you have ever been here. I've cruised timber in Miss. back in the day. Austin rocks, ask around. Unfortunately, I am movin' on to Bavaria - I will miss it here.

Like I said, when I arrive, its allready a done deal.

I know you are a gun, but you can at least give yer .02 - I understand the futility, but maybe down the road....



I come in peace....;)
 
yes, I remember you bragging about being a redneck. Who would brag about that

It is a southern thing, you wouldn't understand. I am proud of my heritage and all that jazz. Kinda like you are happy to live in austin, I don't understand, but it sinks your sub/floats your boat.
Having a Red Neck comes from working (hence the Red neck), and is a way of life, without all the crap of a big city.


Sorry you can't. Doubt you have ever been here. I've cruised timber in Miss. back in the day. Austin rocks, ask around. Unfortunately, I am movin' on to Bavaria - I will miss it here.

Actually I am a well traveled redneck. I have been to Texas twice I think, and Mexico once. I have been to New Mexico to backpack in the Rockys. Been to NYC2 , DC 3, Chicago 1, Innianapollis 1, Miami 1, Flordia Keys, New Orleans 2, Myrtle Beach ect. I have traveled to many places because my parents thought it important that I be well rounded.



Carl
 
i've worked for a number of companies around here. i never made them look bad to the customer, or their help; thrown the whole day off, by refusing to do a tree. The closest it came, the other guy climbed too; so he did the tree that 'needed' topped/bucked. Overtime, with or without me, i know for a fact; there has been less spiking, painting, stobbing etc. by these folks. But it didn't happen over night. And sometimes i was called, because the customer requested no spikes; i'm ssure i misssed some jobs too though.... Cuz i'll go along, mostly; but i will try to spread the word!

Privately their is more control; i have walked away from removals, topping etc. i've trimmed rather than removed many trees. But i've taken more interior green too, than i'd like on some; but i'd try to modify the customer's quality identifiers, of how they assessed/ appreciated their tree; and next time, if it was me they chose to call, maybe they'd go along with me more on some stuff; and i went along with them still on some other things and kept 'p-reaching' as slowly they'd come around some. The arguement of do you want it to look like you think you want or be as healthy as possible; save money while you're doing it; seems not always to float well in a climate, where people let their teenage daughters get breast enlargement surgery IMLHO!

We talk of TreeTime, slow adjustments; sometimes people are like that too i think. Many of us here, adjsuted slowly to the right, from whatever other position we were previously at. i didn't lose my spikes over night, maybe none started out on a VT.

Now some seem to like the style of trying to see with every cut you take; "what are you losing/what are you gaining, is it achieving your goal, are there other options".


Orrrrrrrr something like that!
:alien:
 
I bet all the trees removed by climbers in any given time period is less than the damage Mother Nature routinely lays on herself.

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Originally posted by MasterBlaster
I bet all the trees removed by climbers in any given time period is less than the damage Mother Nature routinely lays on herself.
Butch that is the depth of rationalization; it was better to just drop it and go on doing what you're doing.
Nature kills people burns houses etc., so ok to do that?

The difference is of course that nature has no brain. If you want to turn yours off that's your business, but destruction from hurricanes are no excuse for it.
 
Originally posted by monkeypuzzle
I once sold beer for Busch, but NEVER drank the piss they brewed.

Now you're flat out lying...




...Busch doesn't make beer.:D
 
Guy. Mother Nature sure does have a brain. That is the Earth constintly repairing itself. The forces of nature are what is keeping the earth the place we can live and breath. The Earth will always be here. We can't say that for ourselves. "Save the planet" is BS". It should say "Save Ourselves."

To educate a customer on why he/she should save a tree and trim/prune is fine. If the customer wants a tree down on there property who is to argue. If MB trimmed that Oak. When do you think he would be back to trim again? My guess is that the home owner would have called in the summer and said "take it down" still no lawn and now the home owner has to pay for a tree service again. Those are the kinds of factors that have to be thought of when talking a customer out of what he/she wants for there property that they brought and are paying for.

De-forestation is another topic. Do you really believe that it is the Brazialians who are cutting the rain forests?
There has never been any real economy in Brazil. It is all outside (pigs with money from other countries)contractors who want to set up business, etc. The poor Brazilian is just like MB, making a living. Maybe not happy about what he is doing everyday, but making a living.
(MB only making a point)
The average Brazilian makes $60-$200 a month. The goverment keeps all the money.
Guy, rent the movie The Emerald Forest"
The reason for my Brazilain rant is because my wife is from Brazil.
MB don't make excuses. Make a living while you can. I do think you whould know when to draw a line if you had to.
 
Originally posted by Eagle1
My guess is that the home owner would have called in the summer and said "take it down"
My guess based on long experience would be more optimistic. A minority decide to remove after a season or 3; most keep em. Just stopped by an old customer yesterday; I'd removed clump of sweetgums before and pruned a decent maple. Now the maple's gone, removed after a little storm damage--the ticks were in the hood, I'm told.

Now after baking in the sun for a year they want a liriodendron and a pterocarya planted for shade. So those removal decisions were reversed when the reality of summer heat set in, as the preservation decisions can be. Trouble in, even if the pterocarya grows 4-6'/year it'll be a long while before it cools them like the others did. I hate that I cut the gums; they had problems, but they were a whole lot better than the nothin they got now.

De-forestation is another topic. Do you really believe that it is the Brazialians who are cutting the rain forests?
Long before economic imperialists moved in, the peasants were practicing milpa, which is torching a piece of the jungle, planting crops in the ashes for a year or two until the soil's depleted, then doing it again.
Emerald Forest was a good flick, but it was recent history. Didn't mean to dis your family.

Make a living while you can.
That attitude may fit if we were in a depression. No need to grab and growl; we're in the land of plenty, despite all the poormouthing we may hear. We can gradually apply our philosophies to our work if we make the effort.
 
Whew!

Just scanned through 14 pages of your posts. I cam only say you guys have way too much time on your hands:)
Does anybody here work during the day?:confused:
or just play on the net--just kidding:D

Seriously though some good pics from you all.
Here is one of my favorite crane pics from 2 years ago. The crane was a 250 ton rig, so big that the counterweights are driven out on a seperate truck. The pic doesnt show the rig itself but looking at the stick you can only imagine.

Crane jobs rock!:cool:
 
All of this 'kill the tree/don't kill the tree' needs to be in another thread appropriately titled.

This is a HAPPY, COOL PICTURES THREAD!

CAPISH???

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TopH, I try my damdist to be home by noon! :)

That crane looks HUGE!!!:blob2:
 
Man, that's a HUGE freaking crane!

Biggest I've ever worked with is my 15 ton JLG, 130' w/ jib.
 
Would you have walked away from this job if there was no convincing the customer to prune the tree? What if there was a real good buck to be made on the removal? Again, if that is what the customer wanted?

To be happy and successfull at most jobs you need to love what you're doing and/or working with. For example, really great chiefs love food and are usually overweight. :)
The best tree workers I've known are tree huggers, environmentalists and nature lovers. I don't think you can learn about trees and not start to admire them.
Fortunately I live in an area where people put a high value on trees and there are many good tree services to chose from, both as service providers and employers. If the service I worked for often did unneeded removals, I'd go elsewhere. Otherwise I'm just a robot, and to me that would be horrible.
If you're in an area where there aren't good tree services to chose from, maybe the market is ripe to start one.
That said, I've done my share of removals. It's when they become routine, you have to make the change.
 
One thing I am starting to understand from all these posts and just been thinking about. As mike said, if you really love tree work than removals will eventually become something of a conflict of intrest, unless it is a valid removal. Up here in MA, on the Cape I do tons of pitch pine removals. Sorry, but have no remorse for those. But, as I have listened to Guy, Mike and had conversations with Erik, tree care is not tree removals. I think as people mature this will comes into play. It is also a matter of education of tree care and value.

I have been a yo yo on this topic. I guess this thread could go on forever. It is all individual and opinion.
 

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