Local hacks

[treeslayer666]

This is how the local hacks do it in Worcester

Here are a couple pics of a job done by one of the major local hack/cutthroats in the Worcester area. The company name is irrelevant, I'm just trying to show what we are dealing with around here.
They do however claim to be "tree specialists"
What do you guys think?

 

[diltree]

Here are a couple pics of a job done by one of the major local hack/cutthroats in the Worcester area. The company name is irrelevant, I'm just trying to show what we are dealing with around here.
They do however claim to be "tree specialists"
What do you guys think?

Yes...I can see their work is worthy of the label "Tree Specilists"...What a Joke...........
The funny thing there are several guys in the worcester area that do similiar quality work, which is also a joke.

Anyways, I would love to go out and grab a few cold ones with you man that would be cool, I will pm you my number.

 

[capetrees]

These hacked up trees aren't even town owned or even in the power lines! Why would a HO ask for that to be done? What would cutting this prenvent or cure? I am always amazed at how gullable HOs can be when it comes to tree work. And whats worse is the guy that did it. How much more would it have taken to just have some pride and talk the HO into taking them down? Anyone that does work like that should be exposed around town. :censored:

 

[treemandan]

I had that removal job in Worcesters' burncoat area. 4 hemlocks 1 maple. I told the customer it would be a few weeks due to snow cover, let it melt a bit. No problem. Two weeks later the customer calls and says he found a company that will take care of it asap. I said to myself who is gonna do this job with 2' of snow on the ground? Just so happins that this job is on my plow route for the city. And when do you think they did it. In the middle of that Nor'easter 3 mondays ago. The city plow inspector called me and said some Co. out of Maine is doing the job I was telling him about. So I take a ride by. What a hack. Junk dump truck, little 6" chipper blowing chips in the street (in the middle of a Nor'easter mind you) a bunch of monkeys with no hard hats climbing all over eachother trying to get over the snow banks.
So the owner of this company comes over to one of my trucks (I had 2 trucks on the route so we both went over and watched for a good 1/2 hour laughing our butts off) The guy says "hey buddie where can I get rid of some chips" I said what outfit are you and where are you from? He told me they are from Haverhill. I told him how the customer canceled on me for another company that could do it asap. I said you came all the way to Worcester to do this job in the middle of a blizzard? He said his crew loves a challange. I said I have no idea where to dump chips maybe you should bring them home with you. Next thing you know my inspector calls and says the police are on their way because they are blowing chips in the road. So I said good luck with the job and went back to plowing. Come to find out WPD made them shovel all the chips on the customers property.
Three days later the company owner calls me and asks how much to "just put the maple on the ground" I laughed and told him I was leaving Sunday for my 2 week family funtime in the suntime coronatime vacation in Mexico. He asked if I know anyone local that could help him out. I told him to call Dillon Tree, they will take good care of you. I havent been by since I got back but I'm pretty sure that maple is still standing.

That paints a pretty complete story (still not EVERYTHING) "old linesmans truck" doesn't tell me much. I have things that are old but still in good shape. Bartlett Tree does door to door sales as with SAVE-A TREE. One of Bartlett's salesman knocked on my door and when I asked if he had the permit required for such nonsense he clammed up and left. I told the police. I am a prick I guess. Also have seen chips blown on the ground, common. Hell, these old guys always say" I want that tree topped, I don't care who does it", gotta love those guys. They want, they get (not by me though).

What I don't get is these guys driving all that way and operating like that. Impressive, abosolutey crazy, but impressive. Now I have to see this truck, holy cow! In all the over thinking I do I never would beleive this one unless I saw and heard the full story. Scamming tree work? Do they sleep in the truck? It would be easier (and more understanable) robbing people at gunpoint(and more ethical). Yes, this is a new one for me, sorry I didn't catch on.

So what do you think of my ideas. Capetree seems to agree with me that its a good idea to put companies like this on the block. Nothing like a full frontal I say. One of two things are going to happen( both good). That company will go under or learn. Go about it in a positive polite way and you will come out shining. Be a smart ass and you get nothing. They still talk about what a nice guy Jesus was.

I think a whole new forum should be dedicated just for this one company and they should be invited to join. By the way, if that Bartlett salesman uttered a word as he was leaving I would of knocked him senseless. Door to door went out long ago.

 

[treemandan]

I saw an ad for a company looking for an estimator, they said they cover a 500 mile territory around NY and NJ. I went to the website and from I gather it is just another hussle. I stopped there because it seemed insane. Want to know the name?

 

[Wortown Mick]

That paints a pretty complete story (still not EVERYTHING) "old linesmans truck" doesn't tell me much. I have things that are old but still in good shape. Bartlett Tree does door to door sales as with SAVE-A TREE. One of Bartlett's salesman knocked on my door and when I asked if he had the permit required for such nonsense he clammed up and left. I told the police. I am a prick I guess. Also have seen chips blown on the ground, common. Hell, these old guys always say" I want that tree topped, I don't care who does it", gotta love those guys. They want, they get (not by me though).

What I don't get is these guys driving all that way and operating like that. Impressive, abosolutey crazy, but impressive. Now I have to see this truck, holy cow! In all the over thinking I do I never would beleive this one unless I saw and heard the full story. Scamming tree work? Do they sleep in the truck? It would be easier (and more understanable) robbing people at gunpoint(and more ethical). Yes, this is a new one for me, sorry I didn't catch on.

So what do you think of my ideas. Capetree seems to agree with me that its a good idea to put companies like this on the block. Nothing like a full frontal I say. One of two things are going to happen( both good). That company will go under or learn. Go about it in a positive polite way and you will come out shining. Be a smart ass and you get nothing. They still talk about what a nice guy Jesus was.

I think a whole new forum should be dedicated just for this one company and they should be invited to join. By the way, if that Bartlett salesman uttered a word as he was leaving I would of knocked him senseless. Door to door went out long ago.

I knocked on my neighbors door earlier this week... There property is bordering another neighbors with several problem trees hanging over the driveway.

I guess id be better off robbing them at gunpoin than doing a removal job to make the driveway safer to park cars in ?

Wow I must really be a hack.. I was just gonna drag the logs & brush home and burn them in the spring.

Also, you know customers often request that the chips be left for whatever it is they want them for? Chicken coops, gardens etc..

& by the way... Knocking somone senseless for uttering a word?
Right.

Idk anythin about you but theres always somone bigger and tougher out there. Had you given a person like me a bad attitude youd end up wishing you hadnt.


Theres a time and place for door to door type stuff. Its definitely not out either, and for alot of jobs both the customer wins and the person doing the work does make there money to survive. Big pruning jobs are best left to those who can handle them, removals to those who can do it safely.. its hard to mess up the aesthetics of a flush cut stump.

 

[treemandan]

I knocked on my neighbors door earlier this week... There property is bordering another neighbors with several problem trees hanging over the driveway.

I guess id be better off robbing them at gunpoin than doing a removal job to make the driveway safer to park cars in ?

Wow I must really be a hack.. I was just gonna drag the logs & brush home and burn them in the spring.

Also, you know customers often request that the chips be left for whatever it is they want them for? Chicken coops, gardens etc..

& by the way... Knocking somone senseless for uttering a word?
Right.

Idk anythin about you but theres always somone bigger and tougher out there. Had you given a person like me a bad attitude youd end up wishing you hadnt.


Theres a time and place for door to door type stuff. Its definitely not out either, and for alot of jobs both the customer wins and the person doing the work does make there money to survive. Big pruning jobs are best left to those who can handle them, removals to those who can do it safely.. its hard to mess up the aesthetics of a flush cut stump.

What ever gets you through you life, its allright. Ya, I would of busted the guy in the head for being a smart ass on my doorstep, anywhere else its allowed. Good thing he kept quiet. One thing I can't stand is an indignant salesman, especially at my door.
Sure, that's what I said, blowing chips on the ground, old trucks, door to door, that doesnt exactly spell hack in my book.
Municpalities often require you to get a permit to knock on doors( a few bucks) that way they know you are out there and its safer. Knocking on your neighbors door is a little differrent. Also burning debris is a little out there but you do what you have to do and I have done the same. I'm sure some people make fun of the way I operate but most don't. Now let me explain my gunpoint anaolgy: if driving 4 hours to work in a snow storm, having the cops show up, being scoffed, doing horrid work and ripping people off is what you do you might as well just start a crime spree the real way.

My one neighbor ask me to cut back a tree growing from another neighbors. I would rather not get involved.

I now know not to make you mad but the fact remains if you put your foot in my door when I try to close it you are going to lose your foot. If you do knock on peoples doors plan on getting your feelings hurt sometime. Sometimes it does pay but in this day you better watch out that someone doesn't uphold their right to chase you off and if you run you mouth while you are being chased off plan on getting more than your feelings hurt.

I surely do not mind re-explaining what I said because of the respect I have for most people but please don't try to pick a fight, it is unprofessional and more hack than anything. By the way what is your level of experience?

 

[Wortown Mick]

What ever gets you through you life, its allright. Ya, I would of busted the guy in the head for being a smart ass on my doorstep, anywhere else its allowed. Good thing he kept quiet. One thing I can't stand is an indignant salesman, especially at my door.
Sure, that's what I said, blowing chips on the ground, old trucks, door to door, that doesnt exactly spell hack in my book.
Municpalities often require you to get a permit to knock on doors( a few bucks) that way they know you are out there and its safer. Knocking on your neighbors door is a little differrent. Also burning debris is a little out there but you do what you have to do and I have done the same. I'm sure some people make fun of the way I operate but most don't. Now let me explain my gunpoint anaolgy: if driving 4 hours to work in a snow storm, having the cops show up, being scoffed, doing horrid work and ripping people off is what you do you might as well just start a crime spree the real way.

My one neighbor ask me to cut back a tree growing from another neighbors. I would rather not get involved.

I now know not to make you mad but the fact remains if you put your foot in my door when I try to close it you are going to lose your foot. If you do knock on peoples doors plan on getting your feelings hurt sometime. Sometimes it does pay but in this day you better watch out that someone doesn't uphold their right to chase you off and if you run you mouth while you are being chased off plan on getting more than your feelings hurt.

I surely do not mind re-explaining what I said because of the respect I have for most people but please don't try to pick a fight, it is unprofessional and more hack than anything. By the way what is your level of experience?

Im not wicked experienced. People get alot of pride in this industry and I just stay away from it because thats how people get hurt. Id be comfortable with this job because of low risks and I could take my time . Very minor rigging involved. Ive been running a saw for six years though, learning to climb and rig for 2 or so.

I wouldnt mouth off to anyone looking for work (especially on their property), but I dont take disrespect in person, anywhere. Mostly because I rarely get disrespect in person being 6'3 ~215. I finally lost a fight just last year but it was 50 on 4, It was actually awesome.

I wasnt tryin to pick an E fight either, its kinda retarded. No possible way to win and anyone involved looks more stupid for it. Sorry if I came off that way.

I wouldnt call it a crime spree but from an arborists point of view it could easily be seen that way. The people got what they paid for, around here nobody goes with the lowest bid for exactly that reason.

The last 3 or 4 jobs ive done the customers requested I leave the chips.. which is all the easier for me. Old trucks are better than new trucks in alot of regards too.. I dont follow as to how old a truck is changing its drivers professionalism.

Maybe letting brush dry and burning its not as common as Id thought... I do it almost every year

 

[treemandan]

"I would of busted the guy in the head". LOL

Do you agree or not? I mean some salesman really come on to strong. You say no and they are still there. You tell em to leave and they don't, well...

 

[BC WetCoast]

Do you agree or not? I mean some salesman really come on to strong. You say no and they are still there. You tell em to leave and they don't, well...

Assault is still assault and you are liable to get a visit from the gendarmes.

 

[Scots Climber]

Here are a couple pics of a job done by one of the major local hack/cutthroats in the Worcester area. The company name is irrelevant, I'm just trying to show what we are dealing with around here.
They do however claim to be "tree specialists"
What do you guys think?

Ha, "tree specialists", the only special here is the short bus they took to School.

 

[diltree]

I wouldnt mouth off to anyone looking for work (especially on their property), but I dont take disrespect in person, anywhere. Mostly because I rarely get disrespect in person being 6'3 ~215. I finally lost a fight just last year but it was 50 on 4, It was actually awesome

Im 6'2 235.....so what? I think you said it best Mick......

" Idk anythin about you but theres always somone bigger and tougher out there."

and as my father once told me, when I was a young lad, "if you haven't lost a fight, then you probley haven't fought anyone tough yet"

Any ways respect, disrespect, its all an illusion. You need to learn to respect yourself, by not putting yourself in situations where you may hurt someone, get yourself arrested, or get your self hurt. You also need to respect others, that's the point of this discussion. These clowns have no respect for others in the way they conduct business, going door to door town to town, ruining people trees! Believe it or not, These guys make us all look bad as an industry, that's what makes me upset. Some of the coolest, most intelligent and skilled people I know are arborists and tree guys, and I hate the negative label tree guys get from some people.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I Some of the coolest, most intelligent and skilled people I know are arborists and tree guys, and I hate the negative label tree guys get from some people.

Same here. I cannot understand why so many wish to perpetuate the garbage-picker stereotype with uncouth dress and behavior. The ironic part is they will cry about lack of respect faster then anyone else.

I'm not going on about uniforms, just dress like the professional they want to be

 

[treemandan]

Ha, "tree specialists", the only special here is the short bus they took to School.

And now they can use that bus as a tree truck.

 

[Rftreeman]

Looks like some of the stuff we see around here with the line clearance guys as well as a lot of hacks

there is a difference of the two, line clearance guys do it (even though they don't like too) because it has to be done to insure that the power stays on, hacks do it because they know no better or don't give a rats' azz.

but what is seen here, I sure hope they didn't get paid for that crap.

 

[Bigus Termitius]

A hack is a hack is a hack.

 

[Wortown Mick]

Im 6'2 235.....so what? I think you said it best Mick......

" Idk anythin about you but theres always somone bigger and tougher out there."

and as my father once told me, when I was a young lad, "if you haven't lost a fight, then you probley haven't fought anyone tough yet"

Any ways respect, disrespect, its all an illusion. You need to learn to respect yourself, by not putting yourself in situations where you may hurt someone, get yourself arrested, or get your self hurt. You also need to respect others, that's the point of this discussion. These clowns have no respect for others in the way they conduct business, going door to door town to town, ruining people trees! Believe it or not, These guys make us all look bad as an industry, that's what makes me upset. Some of the coolest, most intelligent and skilled people I know are arborists and tree guys, and I hate the negative label tree guys get from some people.

Ive never really seen or heard much of a negative attitude towards the profession and its people. Probably just havent been in it long enough.
I think I follow on the respect thing.

Arboriculture must draw larger people in general. Ive always considered myself built large compared to the general public.. here its more like average.
Strength & reach definitely do come in handy.

 

[diltree]

You got it, being big and strong comes hand in hand in this industry.

 

[oldirty]

You got it, being big and strong comes hand in hand in this industry.

are you talking about me again dil?

youre the best man!

 

[DFD34]

I love hacks------NOT!!!!

Great hack pictures. The sad thing was that these customers probably could have hired a professional, fully insured company for a couple of bucks more and then had the peace of mind that the work would have been done right. These type of people, "hacks", just give the tree industry a bad name. In one of the areas that we work in we see it all the time. Hacks, Hacks Hacks... I will lose a job to a scumbag for 100 or 200 bucks. Sometimes people just go for the cheapest price and that really sucks. It does not matter how much experience you may have, or how great your sales pitch is, or how much professional knowledge you have, or if your insured, or if you have nice shiney equipment. The bottom line is that you are more expensive and that blows my mind sometimes..............DFD34