Looking for Soft Dutchman against the Lean Video

[chucker]

It's all over, for the, unknown soldier...

? do they fade away?

 

[Bwildered]

OK, now, that was a useful statement. You are thinking "but I can't do that with our wood" rather than "you can't do that". Fact is, shorter fibers, weaker fibers, or more brittle fibers won't hold as well and will break earlier. I figured this out when I bounced a big sycamore off of a building cleaning up after an ice storm. See, we don't have sycamore here, and this was a planted landscape tree, and I didn't know what to expect from it because I'd never cut sycamore before, but I tried to swing it about 45 degrees anyway. It was having none of that, and a lesson was learned. The building was also unharmed, due to being all-concrete construction, so it was a cheap lesson for me. My point is that you are now acknowledging that understanding what the tree is capable of is a big part of what you can do with it while cutting it.

We also have many non commercial softwood species in our bush that have felled for safety reasons & they have amazingly flexible fibres, there isn't much of a difference in the hinge wood when trying to fall them away from the lean.
You have skipped past the actual question in my post though while chasing another gotcha moment, what cuts would you do to get it to go 90' to the lean & further more what cuts would you do to get it go 180' to the lean?
Thanski

 

[madhatte]

That was not intended to be a "gotcha" moment, but rather an "aha" moment. It's no skin off my nose if you don't see it that way.

 

[Bwildered]

That was not intended to be a "gotcha" moment, but rather an "aha" moment. It's no skin off my nose if you don't see it that way.

Ok , can you address the question then?
Thankinski

 

[Gologit]

Ok , can you address the question then?
Thankinski

The question has already been answered. It's been answered in great detail by several very experienced people, most of whom have been very patient with you and have gone to great lengths to explain their techniques. Everyone here has taken quite a bit of their time to try to help you. You don't seem to understand that.
You keep arguing with the very people who could...and have...answered your questions. I think people are tired of that. And of you. I don't blame them.
I don't think you're as obtuse as you pretend to be. At least, I hope you're not.

One last thought and then you're back on my IGNORE list. You seem to be another of those people who are looking for that magic falling formula... the one that says "if I do this, the tree will do that, every tree, every time and without exception". It doesn't work like that. It never will. Trees don't understand formulas.

Good luck to you. I mean that.

 

[Skeans]

The question has already been answered. It's been answered in great detail by several very experienced people, most of whom have been very patient with you and have gone to great lengths to explain their techniques. Everyone here has taken quite a bit of their time to try to help you. You don't seem to understand that.
You keep arguing with the very people who could...and have...answered your questions. I think people are tired of that. And of you. I don't blame them.
I don't think you're as obtuse as you pretend to be. At least, I hope you're not.

One last thought and then you're back on my IGNORE list. You seem to be another of those people who are looking for that magic falling formula... the one that says "if I do this, the tree will do that, every tree, every time and without exception". It doesn't work like that. It never will. Trees don't understand formulas.

Good luck to you. I mean that.

Trees are like women no two are exactly the same and they both make you scratch your head going what the heck just happened.

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[Bwildered]

The question has already been answered. It's been answered in great detail by several very experienced people, most of whom have been very patient with you and have gone to great lengths to explain their techniques. Everyone here has taken quite a bit of their time to try to help you. You don't seem to understand that.
You keep arguing with the very people who could...and have...answered your questions. I think people are tired of that. And of you. I don't blame them.
I don't think you're as obtuse as you pretend to be. At least, I hope you're not.

One last thought and then you're back on my IGNORE list. You seem to be another of those people who are looking for that magic falling formula... the one that says "if I do this, the tree will do that, every tree, every time and without exception". It doesn't work like that. It never will. Trees don't understand formulas.

Good luck to you. I mean that.

You or anyone else hasn't come close to addressing any of my questions fully, let alone the last one, a good magician never reveals their secrets to the trick, that's how everyone knows it's a trick.
Drawings & diagrams describe just about every falling cuts there are , funny how you can't come up with one for yours.
Tankinski

 

[madhatte]

If a picture is worth a thousand words, and video films at 24 frames per second, and the average YouTube video posted here is around 5 minutes... well, dammit, I left my calculator in my vest.

 

[ArtB]

picture is worth a thousand words

Especially when the original post in this thread showed NOT a leaner tree, but a camera lean !

 

[bitzer]

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist...

 

[bnmc98]

You or anyone else hasn't come close to addressing any of my questions fully, let alone the last one, a good magician never reveals their secrets to the trick, that's how everyone knows it's a trick.
Drawings & diagrams describe just about every falling cuts there are , funny how you can't come up with one for yours.
Tankinski

you sound like a bit of a controlling person. "It has to be my way or the highway!" Let people explain how they want, not how you demand it; word for word.

I don't think anyone wants to take the time to draw you something because (this may be a bit of a stretch, but its how I feel) most people here think by now that you are full of CRA*.
How about you put up a diagram of what you interpret they are saying and we will help you out from there. And then you can go and try to do it on an actual tree. Show some initiative yourself and we can help you.
This is not "welfare falling" where we do all the work and you sit back and critique us. It should be your dime now.

If you don't show some initiative by now, then I suggest you stay quiet.
You are in the minority here by thinking it can't be done even after it was shown to you. All because you got something in your head you can't get rid of. And this is not the government where because you are a minority in anything that you will get special treatment. Although these guys have been more than gracious to you.
For that you should thank them instead of complaining.

 

[bnmc98]

You or anyone else hasn't come close to addressing any of my questions fully, let alone the last one, a good magician never reveals their secrets to the trick, that's how everyone knows it's a trick.
Drawings & diagrams describe just about every falling cuts there are , funny how you can't come up with one for yours.
Tankinski

A quick question to clear things up for folks and get down to brass tacks.

Pick one:

A. You interested in learning how to swing a tree more than 90 degrees.

B. You are interested in just trying to prove it can't be done.

(no answer is an automatic "B" for an answer)

If you have a "C" answer then state it too.

 

[Bwildered]

picture is worth a thousand words

Especially when the original post in this thread showed NOT a leaner tree, but a camera lean !

Supposedly with 5 foot of head lean!
A cunning stunt, for stunning .........!
Thansk

 

[Bwildered]

you sound like a bit of a controlling person. "It has to be my way or the highway!" Let people explain how they want, not how you demand it; word for word.

I don't think anyone wants to take the time to draw you something because (this may be a bit of a stretch, but its how I feel) most people here think by now that you are full of CRA*.
How about you put up a diagram of what you interpret they are saying and we will help you out from there. And then you can go and try to do it on an actual tree. Show some initiative yourself and we can help you.
This is not "welfare falling" where we do all the work and you sit back and critique us. It should be your dime now.

If you don't show some initiative by now, then I suggest you stay quiet.
You are in the minority here by thinking it can't be done even after it was shown to you. All because you got something in your head you can't get rid of. And this is not the government where because you are a minority in anything that you will get special treatment. Although these guys have been more than gracious to you.
For that you should thank them instead of complaining.

It boils down to you roosters saying its possible & me saying it can't be possible because of the laws of gravity,
I'm not going to go out & attempt the impossible until I have a clear understanding of how it functions, you would have to question your values of safe work & teaching instruction methods to send someone out to do what seems an impossible task without the essential fundamentals being fully explained & especially when it has been repeatedly asked for.
Thansk

 

[Bwildered]

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist...

...... and could defy gravity!
Tranks

 

[Bwildered]

A quick question to clear things up for folks and get down to brass tacks.

Pick one:

A. You interested in learning how to swing a tree more than 90 degrees.

B. You are interested in just trying to prove it can't be done.

(no answer is an automatic "B" for an answer)

If you have a "C" answer then state it too.

A, who wouldn't want to do what seems impossible?
Fansk

 

[KiwiBro]

Jesus H, over 200 hundred replies.

 

[scheffa]

You keep going on about the laws of gravity, the trees in the videos posted did the tree fall to the ground like the law of gravity says it will?? Of course they did because fallers aren't magicians. All that's happened is these skilled fallers are using the force created by gravity to help them steer a tree. A strong wind can make a tree fall opposite the lean, so why can a series of complex well placed saw cuts influence the way that GRAVITY pulls a tree to the ground.
I have no idea on how these boys do what they do with a Dutchman, it is something I would like try. However I have placed wedges rocks etc in that face cut before to help steer a tree and I know for a fact that it works

 

[Bwildered]

You keep going on about the laws of gravity, the trees in the videos posted did the tree fall to the ground like the law of gravity says it will?? Of course they did because fallers aren't magicians. All that's happened is these skilled fallers are using the force created by gravity to help them steer a tree. A strong wind can make a tree fall opposite the lean, so why can a series of complex well placed saw cuts influence the way that GRAVITY pulls a tree to the ground.
I have no idea on how these boys do what they do with a Dutchman, it is something I would like try. However I have placed wedges rocks etc in that face cut before to help steer a tree and I know for a fact that it works

Yes I do go on about gravity & quite simply it's an impossibility for a tree to fall 180' to its gravitational lean where the COG is beyond the stump line by cutting alone with no other assistance, nobody can draw or sketch it because it's impossible.
Stangst

 

[scheffa]

Yes I do go on about gravity & quite simply it's an impossibility for a tree to fall 180' to its gravitational lean where the COG is beyond the stump line with no other assistance, nobody can draw or sketch it because it's impossible.
Stangst

Sorry but I completely disagree, depending on the amount of lean it is entirely possible. Most people on here are tree cutters, not sketch artists or engineers