Makita 520 airfilter problem

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rayIN

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I need your advice. After posting this topic and recieving valuable feedback about 6 months ago, the airfilter on my Makita 520 (Dolmar/52 cc) still passes alot of saw dust into the engine. I do work on hard wood trees with quite a bit of rot, so there is alot of fine dust. I have tried new makita/dolar filters (flocked) and have also modified them in some cases to seal the split seams (teflon tape), or encased the filter in a cut up vacuum bag, and also used an oil impregnated cell foam washer at the filter/carb throat connection. I am ready to move a better air filter that will fit under the cover. Can anyone offer advice on an alternative filter adapter that will fit on the Tillotson HU 116 carb that can utilize a Stihl or Husky filter?

By the way, my 346 and 372 don't have this problem at all. I also keep my chains sharp.

Thanks in advance, Ray
 
How often do you clean your filter? I wonder if you are cleaning it too often, and not letting a few particles plug some of the coarser holes in the media. A filter is actually it's least effective when it's new, and improves in filtration of finer particles as a layer starts to build on the media, until you reach a point where the restriction is too great. I really don't think a little fine wood dust is going to harm the engine significantly. I usually apply a little grease around the mouth of the filter where it slips into the elbow on the carb. Other than that, I haven't noticed anything bad enough to be concerned about.

By the way, how does that Makita compare to your 346XP? I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
 
I've tried new filters, and have even let the filters go for a a few tanks before cleaning. have put a filter over a filter using a cut up and glued together vacuum bag. The dust gets in the throat and even clogs the jets enough to prevent idling until the carb is rinsed out and the engine restarted and run at full throttle for about a minute under "clean air" conditions. Thanks Ray
 
Wow, I wonder if the dust is coming in somewhere other than the filter? Could the dust be coming in between the carb and the filter adapter elbow? There is no gasket there.
 
I will look into your sugestion, but the dust lodges at the bend in the elbow, so I assumed it was entering before the carb/adapter interface.

I like the makita a little better than the 346 since it has a little more low end power. weight is similar. I have yet to open the muffler on the 346, but the Dolar is fully open. If I can grab only one saw it would be the makita, if two saws then the 372 and 346.
Thanks Ray
 
Sticky foam bands available at hardwares or HD (one side adhesive only) 1/8'' or 3/16'' wide by about 1/8'' or 3/16'' in thickness.

Stick it around the base of the filter to stop fine dust from entering the carb or vice-versa on the mouth of the carb if you can.

All this if you suspect some how it is not sealing well.
 
Because these saws are piston ported, you do get some blow back through the carb, so it could be depositing fuel and then dirt in the elbow regardless. I wonder what would happen if you lightly sprayed your flock filter with some K & N filter oil in an aerosal spray can. It might plug up really fast, but maybe it would keep the stuff out.
 
At this stage it pretty much sounds like it's not the filter or where the filter interfaces with the throat.  I'd be looking for a crack somewhere downstream.

Glen
 
how do you clean the filter? I use a soft 1" paint brush, and just lightly brush the outside. the grey little hairs in the filter fabric are keepers.

are you keeping your chains sharp?

also, any chance you are running carb on rich side ... I used to set my 540 a little too fat, and I was also getting a lot of "blowback" in the intake system, showing up at airflow dead zones in the carb connections and in the filter bend, where dust would accumulate (tiny specks of oiled dust look like shiny mountains on the adapter). I'm just guessing that my excess 4-cycling produces more blowback (any one who knows why please help if you can). At the advice of (?-walker I think?) I've learned to lean up the carb a little, and the blowback has pretty much gone away. Now, it seems I have more "black foam" (actually crud) coming out the muffler. (I'm still nervous about the noticable increase in heat that's still coming off the cylinder when I finish a couple of cuts-but so far no trace of scoring or seizure.)

As to airflow, I did just the opposite of what you are doing! Rather than restricting flow (increasing suction, velocity and dust entrainment), I cut a 3/16" x 3" slot across the back of the black top cover, to increase breathing (reduce velocities) outside the carb (as well as opening up the muffler insides). I used a box cutting knife with red-hot blade to cut the hard plastic, and I drew my lines on a piece of masking tape. With no actual scientific measurements or understanding, I thought the configuration and dimensions (net efficient flow) of the intake was almost rediculous, for the quantity and suction velocities of intake air involved. I wanted to reduce the velocity "hot-spots" and turbulence leading into the filter. I also shaved down the hard edges inside the ducting flow path to avoid dead air spots. (My next upgrade for the 540 will be the Tilly carb -- the choke baffle on the Walbro doesn't IMHO configure well with the filter/bend arrangement. With that 90° bend in place, there's just no way there's an even distribution of flow across the WT choke baffle The top of the choke baffle is in effect a dead air zone, which creates a negative vortex which circles around the choke baffle during operation. IMHO -- an unnecessarily compromised design.). The person who manufactures an air filter for the 400/520/540 series which incorporates the 90° bend into the air filter (eliminates I part and two screws), so that a larger filter attached directly into the carb, where the 90° bend attaches now, and which has a generous intake funnel in place of the bend, to transition airflow from filtration velocities to venturi velocities, will do a good thing for that design.)

slightly off topic, but decreasing 4-cycling blowback and decreasing dead spots in the intake path, and reducing intake filter velocities might help ... that was my experience anyway.
 
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