Mass Dampening, rigging and leaving some brush....

[Frans]

Tree Spyder,
I like your ideas and your thoughts are often enlightening.
HOWEVER your sentence structure, the incorporation of different ideas, and your syntax are so often completely jumbled.

This makes reading your posts a trial.

Wont you read over your posts and try to clean up the verberage?

Please keep in mind I am someone who has a graduate degree, and I have spent many years writing and submitting papers. So this makes my request, at the very least, a qualified one.

Respectfully submitted,
Frans

 

[glens]

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Ditto, Ken, except for the part about any college degrees on my part.

I also feel you've got a lot to offer but that the effort required to glean it is usually a monumental impediment.

Glen

 

[Frans]

Now that I was real respectfull here is a different way to say it:
Sounds like you smoke way too much weed

Frans

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

i guess i'm glad i cleaned up my writing over the years here; and don't play with the words (well not quite so bad). i do try to cover a lot of options of what can happen and why. As far as the rest of it, don't know what to say!

i don't look at running the load as dampening the load, but relieving it from the system by not carrying the weight run. Thereby impossible to dampen. i like 'walking' it down especially if it is going to be caught before ground.

i do think a weaker line can give more dampening here too; line choice and amount can be very important device choice. And there should be a compressable rubber dampening 'vertebrae' disk inside Porty for removing a certain calculated range of high loading from the system IMLHO.

Wouldn't want to run on with the rest i shortened previously to stay on topic of the stability and loading of the tree weight distribution itself!

 

[Frans]

i don't look at running the load as dampening the load, but relieving it from the system by not carrying the weight run. Thereby impossible to dampen. i like 'walking' it down especially if it is going to be caught before ground.

Letting the load 'run' eliminates alot of the weight applied to the rigging and the anchor point(s)- so yes you could call it 'dampening' because the weight originated from the tree (system) in the first place.
Bringing it down slowly, 'walking' the load down gradually, controlling the hinge by slowly allowing it to peel, flat out letting it run, these (and many more) are all options that ANY and EVERY climber should use when needed for a safe and productive removal.
However I am talking really talking about something else.
For the most part the commonest form of lowering wood, branches etc requires a different method of dealing with the load.

I call it the: 'guided descent'.
Not lowering, but initially guiding the weight in the direction I want, then letting it run to plant it exactly (depending on who is roping and how well I cut it) where it is wanted.
This is a real tuff concept to teach. Ideally, the groundman should get real good at this, but it really is an artform, not an exact science. Taking a wrap changes how the rope plays out then going to the GRCS or a port-a-crap changes things entirely again in how many wraps to take for each differently weighted load.
I used to have a groundman (years ago) when I was just starting who was a stone cold alcaholic. His name was/is Eric. THis guy would only do the ropeing, nothing else. Perched next to him would be a 40 ounce malt liquor bottle which he would sip from all day long. That guy could rope better than many others I've worked with through the years...
Frans

 

[Matt Follett]

Well... the poll runs a center, pretty much the whole way through. Some good thoughts going on for sure...

haven't been rigging for a few days/weeks almost, but was working three large White Pines Pinus strobus today, intalling corbra stuff to hold them together (they lost a brother this spring in high winds...) And was pondering again the movement of trees... Man they are awsome... anyway one was over 24" DBH at 80' ! ( I know westerners, it's just a baby) But huge for our area, and to watch it move gently in the wind was cool. I mean I've watched trees ALOT, but today thinking about things and stuff I was just amazed how you could watch movement diappearing down the trunk... Ah I'm rambling...

Some my thoughts on this subject are continuing... and I know it's been brought up here before, but wouldn't it be great if we could put the brake in the tree.... when we talk about the loadings that we can generate, even letting it run, or just controlling the chaotic bomb, and then doubling that because of the block, I mean really we have it all wrong!

Spydies thoughts of the rubber dampening sytem are good too, but we still are transfering all that load around a block and down. I think the next big thing will be building an EASILY controlled braking device that is in the tree. Or jet packs, man that would be cool... strap some radio controlled propulsion units to the piece, cut and let fly!... oh now I'm just dreaming....

Anyway, I keep going back to that oak (hollow one mentioned earlier) and thinking about the size of pieces we were riggin, the nautural crotch effect, and the difference it must have made, now imagine if we could do that with all the control of a porty or drum, and be able to lift of the same device (ie stick the GOODS at the bottom and lift/take out slack, a ratcheting drum! thats what we need, or a drum with a remote brake.... Hum techincal points to ponder....


AHH now I'm talking about taking the poor things apart, this started off on a good note....


Hey see a few folks at TCI?

 

[NeTree]

Ultimately, there are just alot of factors to consider.

What I'd leave the brush on today, I'd strip bare tomorrow. Maybe it's to keep sun off me, maybe to keep it ON me.

Maybe it's a weak spar, and taking at least SOME brush off it will reduce the weight load so I can lower from it safer; while the rest dampens the weeble-wobbles.

Maybe I'm ON the spar, and leave alot so I don't go for a convertible every time some dumbsh!t groundie brings a big chunk to a screeching friggin' halt.

 

[Nickrosis]

Originally posted by rborist1
You bet Maashole.

Worse than paparazzi.....