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Hi Mark, thanks for the reply!

Update 1:
The gas cap still leaks, but the leak is much slower. This is what I've done:
I removed the "not bad" cork gasket and replaced it with a foam gasket from a plumber's gasket kit. The foam gasket was a close fit, but not perfect. It leaked.
Then I stacked the old cork gasket on top of the foam gasket. Still leaked.
Then I removed both gaskets and re-installed only the old cork gasket and snugged it good.
The vent circuit is free flowing in both directions. I learned on this forum that the duckbill is rubber (not metal) and it melts away. That explains the goo I blew out. So my vent circuit is wide open right now.
This is my cap:
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I cut a 3/8" long piece of sewing machine oil wick and pushed it into the brass stem where the duckbill goes. This oil wick is like thick felt string, it comes in 3 sizes, I used the smallest size which is about 1/8" diameter. Compressed air can still get through the wick, and fuel can too, but only very slowly.
End result - I still have a gas cap leak, but it is a very slow leak. No more running gas, just a thin film of spreading gas.
To fix it right, I need a new gasket and a duckbill and maybe a spring.

Update 2:

I broke the fuel hose off at the carb nipple. It broke too easy. Old hose.
I used .425" OD pvc hose to replace it. Lucky tight fit through the hole in tank wall and on carb nipple. I smeared Yamabond #4 on the pass-thru section and cured overnight. It doesn't leak.
The tank end of the hose has a small metal NAPA full filter stabbed into it.

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#3 - The old oil plate gasket barely leaks, a slow film. I'll use sealant once I get the oiler working. The o-ring under the plate screw does not leak.
The auto oiler still does not work. I need to pull the plate and back the adjuster screw out and try it again.

#4 - The saw runs.
Idle is good.
The LO screw is good but not perfect yet. Still a slight bog in the middle sometimes.
The HI screw is about perfect, it 4-strokes when you lift it out of a deep cut.
The saw doesn't smoke so my oiler gasket apparently is not leaking oil into the motor.

#5 - My biggest current problem is the saw only runs on the HI circuit for 8 seconds, then it dies.
Not bogs. Starves and dies at WOT as though you hit the kill switch.
I either have an air leak at WOT, or a needle-height problem, or a carb gasket problem where the lower gasket doesn't suck enough fuel to keep up, or something else.
Is there a "most common cause" for these old saws to cut out at WOT in the middle of a good strong cut?

I think my next steps will be to start buying stuff, like a carb kit, fuel hose, tank gasket, oil plate gasket.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

This the saw all cleaned up:

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Hi Mark, thanks for the reply!

Update 1:
The gas cap still leaks, but the leak is much slower. This is what I've done:
I removed the "not bad" cork gasket and replaced it with a foam gasket from a plumber's gasket kit. The foam gasket was a close fit, but not perfect. It leaked.
Then I stacked the old cork gasket on top of the foam gasket. Still leaked.
Then I removed both gaskets and re-installed only the old cork gasket and snugged it good.
The vent circuit is free flowing in both directions. I learned on this forum that the duckbill is rubber (not metal) and it melts away. That explains the goo I blew out. So my vent circuit is wide open right now.
This is my cap:
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I cut a 3/8" long piece of sewing machine oil wick and pushed it into the brass stem where the duckbill goes. This oil wick is like thick felt string, it comes in 3 sizes, I used the smallest size which is about 1/8" diameter. Compressed air can still get through the wick, and fuel can too, but only very slowly.
End result - I still have a gas cap leak, but it is a very slow leak. No more running gas, just a thin film of spreading gas.
To fix it right, I need a new gasket and a duckbill and maybe a spring.

Update 2:

I broke the fuel hose off at the carb nipple. It broke too easy. Old hose.
I used .425" OD pvc hose to replace it. Lucky tight fit through the hole in tank wall and on carb nipple. I smeared Yamabond #4 on the pass-thru section and cured overnight. It doesn't leak.
The tank end of the hose has a small metal NAPA full filter stabbed into it.

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#3 - The old oil plate gasket barely leaks, a slow film. I'll use sealant once I get the oiler working. The o-ring under the plate screw does not leak.
The auto oiler still does not work. I need to pull the plate and back the adjuster screw out and try it again.

#4 - The saw runs.
Idle is good.
The LO screw is good but not perfect yet. Still a slight bog in the middle sometimes.
The HI screw is about perfect, it 4-strokes when you lift it out of a deep cut.
The saw doesn't smoke so my oiler gasket apparently is not leaking oil into the motor.

#5 - My biggest current problem is the saw only runs on the HI circuit for 8 seconds, then it dies.
Not bogs. Starves and dies at WOT as though you hit the kill switch.
I either have an air leak at WOT, or a needle-height problem, or a carb gasket problem where the lower gasket doesn't suck enough fuel to keep up, or something else.
Is there a "most common cause" for these old saws to cut out at WOT in the middle of a good strong cut?

I think my next steps will be to start buying stuff, like a carb kit, fuel hose, tank gasket, oil plate gasket.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

This the saw all cleaned up:

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Looks like your primed for action, but not direction. The fuel cap has the brass insert which will easily pull out with a small pair of pliers or vice grips ( rotate motion left to right when extracting) , when that is done a simple homelite duckbill will drop right in curing the leak issue. The red hex head Homelite fuel cap will also fit that tank.
Fuel line can be replaced with a Stihl 034 fuel line( I have it in 4 of my McCulloch saws) or the grommet kit sold on Ebay or privately, making it possible to use a general size fuel line.
If the saw idles well and suddenly dies as you stab the throttle it is most likely the high speed check valve located under one of the Welch plugs, they can only be purchased separately from the rebuild kit , which I consider standard maintenance when rebuilding an SDC carburetor of age.
But the running for 8 seconds THEN dies sounds like one of the gaskets under the carb,insulator plate , or tank is cracked or misaligned or there's a hole in your fuel line.
Good luck, and we're fortunate to have a wealth of information on the forums.
 
Your PVC fuel line looks like it might have a kink, try putting a spring inside the tube to keep it open. It is very possible that the fuel pump and metering diaphragms are pretty stiff and not allowing an adequate amount of fuel to move for high speed operation. I would suggest a new fuel line (careful with aftermarket products, some are very stiff and break pretty easily), new fuel filter, and a carburetor kit. While you are in the carburetor you should make certain the metering lever is set correctly.

For the automatic oil pump you may need to remove the pump and clean out the internal check valve.

There must be a spring under the duckbill valve in the fuel cap to seal it in the brass insert. If you can't find the original, you can try substituting the metering spring from a carburetor.

Try searching other threads for more details on the oiler and the fuel lines, there is a lot of information out there.

Mark
 
OK - Good results.

For my PM700 with Walbro SDC 44A carb, I bought the Stens carb kit 615-237 -- $7, and Stens fuel hose 610-238 -- $11, and Stens fuel filter 610-089 -- $2, on Amazon.

For the carb service, I pulled the welch plugs. There was nothing under either. The small welch plug has a tiny circular screen held in place by a wire retainer ring. It looked really clean and carb-spray went through it easily, so I did not remove that retainer ring or screen.

The remainder of the carb job was uncomplicated. The new welch plugs fit and sealed properly with a few taps.
The fuel hose fit well. The filter fit the hose.

According to 10-10 service manual, the metering lever diaphragm fork should be 0.015" above the internal bosses if you use a gasket under the metering diaphragm, which i was, so that's where i set it.

I put the saw together, it would not start, wet gas came out the muffler.
OK.
Pulled the carb, set the metering lever flush with the bosses, reassembled saw, it started right up.
My Hi and Lo screws were both set to 1.25 turns. I warmed the engine, made two small cuts, then a few big ones. The saw was a little too rich, but cut well. I ran it about 5 minutes.

The auto-oiler was working properly.

About the auto-oiler (the subject of this thread): as described previously, I have the new-style 1-screw plastic oiler with non-serviceable check valve, and it was not working at all. The saw dripped oil on my boots when I pushed the manual oiler. My oil tank was full of oil-gel boogers when I opened it.
So, I removed the oiler and cleaned everything and tightened the oiler adjuster screw in one turn because the saw was dripping oil on my boots.
Well, I shouldn't have tightened the adjuster screw. My cleanup job worked but I didn't know it because the saw was still not oiling, because I tightened the adjuster screw.
I drained it and pulled the cover and backed the adjuster screw out one turn and tried again, and it started working.

That's it. Everything works now. I filled both tanks and observed that the chain was throwing a fine mist of oil on cardboard, and after one last fix (see #3 below), I started cutting a 26" p-pine log and tuned the Lo and Hi screws for a few minutes and then just went at it. I bucked up that whole tree and ran out of gas bumping a knot off the last round. The saw cuts well. It is loud. My wife and daughter commented on the different sound when I came in.

Observations:
1 - set the diaphragm fork of the metering lever flush with the bosses even if you are using a fat new gasket between the diaphragm and the carb body.
2 - The 10-10 manual says to set the idle screw so that it just cracks the butterfly, but this PM700 wasn't happy until I went an additional 3/4 turn in on the idle screw.
3 - The Stens fuel hose is too long on the carb side, and too flexy. The saw ran well right after I fixed the needle height, and everything got nice and warm, and then while it was cooling and sitting for 2 hours while I did other stuff, the hose kinked between the carb and fuel-tank wall and took a set to that kink. When I started to attack the 26" log, the saw wouldn't run. I messed with screws a while, then looked under the filer cover and saw the kink. I fixed the kink by finding a spring in my junk box and stretching it to about 2" long and pushing it into the fuel hose with the backside of an appropriately sized drill bit.
4 - When I ran out of gas, I dumped the oil tank into a pan to see how much oil I had left: about a 1/2 measuring cup full. So the saw used almost but not quite all of the oil to run through a full tank of gas. Does that sound about right for these saws?

Thanks for all the help here. Fun new toy. Cuts strong. Scares the cat. Good stuff.
 
Yah, I saw that check valve mentioned somewhere, and it's shown in the IPL picture.

Saw running good. We'll see how it goes this weekend.
 
Red duckbill came in today. This ebayer will sell you one for $3 delivered. The pic shows black, but the description says red, and red is what arrived in the mail.

My earlier sewing machine oil wick plug worked pretty good. Almost no gas leak at all.

The duckbill is better. No gas leak period.

My fuel cap has the brass insert, see pics above. It pulled right out. Conical-shaped spring was still in there.
I cleaned and reassembled: cap-spring-duckbill-insert. Works great.

Thanks to Mr. Heimann for a near encyclopedia of Mac info on this website.

I bucked up two smaller trees tonight, no problems.
Interesting observation - everything was just a hair richer tonight, even tho conditions were the same as the last use. I wonder if the 1st tank of gas didn't clean things up even more. I turned the HI and LO screws in 1/16th turn, and had to turn the idle screw out nearly a half turn to get the idle speed back down to where it didn't spin the chain.

That's it.

Thanks again.

This saw is fun to run. It cuts aggressively. It has a lot of power. It still makes the cat run away.
 
Just thought I'd write a bit about my experience with this style of pump. Picked up a near mint PM700 that wouldn't auto-oil at all. I think the root of my issue was a poorly aligned gasket. Telltale compression markings on the gasket showed that the pump's inlet/outlet ports were partially outside the gasket's raised ridge-seals for the oil passage holes. Where most gasket mounts have multiple fasteners which makes gasket alignment simple, this mounting-system only has one fastener (and installation often requires some awkward wedging & twisting). So, it's probably very easy & common to slightly mis-align the gasket on these pumps.

My pump also had the "less desirable" spring-clip that mounts to the top of the pump via the adjustment bolt. While I had the pump out, i took that clip, put it in my vice, and bent it a few degrees so that it'd increase the upward force against the pump's backside.

Having fixed the gasket's alignment & bent spring clip for some extra compression force... thing is oiling like a champ now!
 
After fixing the PM700 oiler issue, I was inspired to tackle my SP81 which oils fine, but smokes quite a bit. It's the same, single-bolt mounting design w/ the same "less desirable" spring-clip as the PM700. One difference I noticed is that the SP81 doesn't have a reusable wedge shaped rubber gasket w/ ridge-seals like the PM700; just a flat rubberized fiber gasket. Looking up NOS images, seems like the flat gasket is OEM for the SP81. Also, the NOS image seems to show a secondary paper gasket?

Anyone had much luck w/ DIY gaskets in this setup? Should I just use rubberized fiber material? Should I try to upgrade to a wedge gasket? pm700 sp81.jpg
 
The paper gaskets were the earlier provision, typically used when the pumps were mounted with three screws. That was pretty foolproof, but you had to take the tank off the top to get into the automatic oil pump. Most of the time with the paper gaskets, the pump had the spring finger on top to help hold it down and the gasket had a pressure sensitive adhesive to help hold it in place during assembly.

The hard rubber gasket and spring wedge/clip were the final solution from McCulloch and seems to work very well. I do have some of the wedge/clips if you would choose to go that route. I have a large supply of the paper gasket like you show above (89642), contact me if you'd like to get a few to try.

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Mark
 
Thanks for the feedback & the offer of a better clip! Was browsing for the rubber wedge gaskets (92818), but as is often the case, shipping to Canada turns a $15 item into a $40+ item... bit steep for a tiny gasket. I'm going to try and improvise a solution with some rubber gasket material & high-tack gasket sealant that I have around. If that doesn't work out very well, I may take you up on one of the better clips. Much appreciated! Will let you guys know how it goes :)IMG_20221031_135159.jpg
 
Been several weeks w/ the thicker, rubber DIY gasket in my SP81, to replace the thin OEM rubberized fiber gasket, and it's been working great! No more clouds of white smoke. Thanks for all the input, guys :}IMG_20221031_160328.jpg
 
The paper gaskets were the earlier provision, typically used when the pumps were mounted with three screws. That was pretty foolproof, but you had to take the tank off the top to get into the automatic oil pump. Most of the time with the paper gaskets, the pump had the spring finger on top to help hold it down and the gasket had a pressure sensitive adhesive to help hold it in place during assembly.

The hard rubber gasket and spring wedge/clip were the final solution from McCulloch and seems to work very well. I do have some of the wedge/clips if you would choose to go that route. I have a large supply of the paper gasket like you show above (89642), contact me if you'd like to get a few to try.

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Mark
Mark, would you happen to have any more of those spring wedge clips? I've been wracking my brain on why my PM700 was smoking like a freight train. I opened up the oil tank and realized there is no clip on my auto oiler.

Thanks,
Nathan
 
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