Meteor Cylinder Quality

[wigglesworth]

Just curious here, who makes Husqvarna OEM piston and cylinders?

Mahle.. That's pronounced "mmmm-uuh-huh-leigh"






Well, it might be pronounced that way. Looks French to me...

 

[SawTroll]

Meteor, Episan, maybe others are made in Italy. Not sure about their politics, or Taiwans for that matter.
This country is headed full steam toward socialism.
So, that argument is getting blurred.
But, it is hard to buy American to support your own when they don't make it.

Only if made means finishing a far east product, and having their (Italien) brand name on them. At least that seems to be how it is with cylinders....

 

[ZeroJunk]

Only if made means finishing a far east product, and having their (Italien) brand name on them. At least that seems to be how it is with cylinders....

Other than Tecomec for 028's I have just used their pistons. I am thinking the Tecomec kit is Italian, but it certaily may not be.

 

[2dogs]

Mostly Mahle and Gilardoni - KolbenSchmidt used to be another sourse, not sure it still is?

Did Stihl or Husqvarna ever make their own P&Cs? How about magnesium parts, does some else cast them and then Stihl or Husqvarna does the finish machining? Was that the way with say Homelite, McC, Poulan and others?

 

[SawTroll]

Other than Tecomec for 028's I have just used their pistons. I am thinking the Tecomec kit is Italian, but it certaily may not be.

I know very little about Tecomec, and their selection of chainsaw kits are very limited.

 

[SawTroll]

Did Stihl or Husqvarna ever make their own P&Cs? How about magnesium parts, does some else cast them and then Stihl or Husqvarna does the finish machining? Was that the way with say Homelite, McC, Poulan and others?

Moving onto "thinner ice" now, but here we go;

There was rumors that Stihl had started making their own cylinders (in the far east) when the quality dropped and they no longer said Mahle (or KS) on them - but I have never seen any evidence of it. Once there also was a rumor that some Husky cylinders were made "in-house", but those cylinders eventually turned out to be Gilardoni ones.

Regarding the cases, I believe they are made by Husky and Stihl themselves, until proven wrong (may happen at some point). With most other brands I have no idea how it was done, besides the obvious - the Pro saws that were made by Husqvarna likely had Husky made cases as well (Jonsered, Partner and a few Poulan Pro).

 

[kevinm9558]

Mahle small engine manufacturing facilities

"Our filters and our piston and cylinder assemblies for small engines can cope easily with even this sort of challenge, because they are specially tuned to the requirements of our customers. They are produced in Germany, Austria, USA, Brazil, and China."
taken from the Mahle website HERE

Take it for what it is; I'm not quoting anyone's post here, only because I'm not trying to "ruffle anyones feathers." :wink2: Just posting the info to help with some people's questions...

 

[SawTroll]

I'd way rather make the italians, japs, germans, or swedes rich vs the chinese, but it is up to you.

:agree2: 100% with that!

 

[Justsaws]

There are a couple of 3120 kits available and one at least has been available for a few years. The key isn't to look for Husqvarna 3120XP kits but Partner K1250 kits. The K1250 is a concrete cutting saw but runs the same engine.
They are good kits and a few of the ones I supplied are in the Australian racing scene doing quite well with minimal development and as yet no machining. With some more work they should be able to match it with the OEM powered saws in the right hands.

Thanks for the feedback. Almost never see an actual 3120 chainsaw around here but still see quite a few of the multi-purpose or cutoff saws using that P/C, I would have no interest in putting all OEM $ into rebuilding one of them for myself but would not mind the AM $. Seen more than a few with the AM kits and the owners seem pleased, the first one that I saw looked pretty rough but it was really really inexpensive and if they have improved as much as many of the others then I would be pretty pleased, still only looking atthe +/- $100.00 range.

 

[Andyshine77]

I'd way rather make the italians, japs, germans, or swedes rich vs the chinese, but it is up to you.

I agree. Those economies are similar to ours and the have to manufacture with many of the same regulations as we do, like no child labor and so on.

 

[Andyshine77]

Unfortunately Andy the major players are worse than we are for outsourcing business to China. Every single new Stihl sold is likely to have far more Chinese componentry on it than you or I realise...

Sad, but more than not true.

 

[Ductape]

I agree. Those economies are similar to ours and the have to manufacture with many of the same regulations as we do, like no child labor and so on.

And less communism............

 

[Tzed250]

Did Stihl or Husqvarna ever make their own P&Cs? How about magnesium parts, does some else cast them and then Stihl or Husqvarna does the finish machining? Was that the way with say Homelite, McC, Poulan and others?

Moving onto "thinner ice" now, but here we go;

There was rumors that Stihl had started making their own cylinders (in the far east) when the quality dropped and they no longer said Mahle (or KS) on them - but I have never seen any evidence of it. Once there also was a rumor that some Husky cylinders were made "in-house", but those cylinders eventually turned out to be Gilardoni ones.

Regarding the cases, I believe they are made by Husky and Stihl themselves, until proven wrong (may happen at some point). With most other brands I have no idea how it was done, besides the obvious - the Pro saws that were made by Husqvarna likely had Husky made cases as well (Jonsered, Partner and a few Poulan Pro).

Stihl makes their own cases, as well as other cast magnesium bits. I believe Husqvarna makes theirs.

Stihl also does magnesium casting under contract for other companies.

A tidbit of information about Stihl. In the 1960's Andreas Stihl visited Robert Paxton McCulloch at the McCulloch factory in California. Stihl was impressed to say the least, as at the time McCulloch was the worlds largest chainsaw maker. The thing old Andreas was most envious of was McCulloch's ability to cast thin wall magnesium. Within a decade Stihl was the number one saw manufacturer in the world.

 

[mifirewoodguy]

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Not trying to start a fight good sir, and believe me, I am as much of a red-blooded American as they come. I served our country PROUDLY for five years in the United States Marine Corps as my father did 40 years ago, and I am a six year member of UA Local 32 Plumbers and Pipefitters. I do not discount the United States of America, but her ways do sadden me.
This misunderstanding just proves my point all the more.
These "American corporations" are not stupid and are saving ALOT of money by outsourcing most of their products. -Have you noticed where most of the parts for your Ford come from? In general, they have a small portion of their products manufactured in the U.S. which allows them to print "Made in America" on their ads in the Bailey's catalogue (for instance), but most of their profit comes from overseas where taxes, labor, and materials are cheaper. They do this so that we (proud, red-blooded Americans) who love our country and want to support it by buying American-made products, continue to buy them.
Well, I'll get off my soap-box for now. Again, I mean no disrespect whatsoever to you or your opinions, and I'd be happy to talk to you further in private about the subject if you'd like.

Did you know that a Toyota has more American made parts on it than a Chevy Malibu? Sad Fact!

 

[edisto]

Did you know that a Toyota has more American made parts on it than a Chevy Malibu? Sad Fact!

And, it's a palindrome.

 

[Zombiechopper]

And, it's a palindrome.

HA! yup it is.

I had an 86 toyota something or other once. rear wheel inline six. It was like driving your couch around. nice suspension. But the windshield leaked

 

[SawTroll]

Did you know that a Toyota has more American made parts on it than a Chevy Malibu? Sad Fact!

No surprice there, with the Toyotas that are sold in the US!

 

[blsnelling]

The new Meteor P&C Kit showed up this afternoon.

 

[blsnelling]

You will notice a lot of layout lines on the cylinder. I did that to give an idea of the symetery of the ports.

The first thing I noticed is that the exhaust port shape hasn't been corrected at all.

While the combustion chamber itself looks good, the squish band has a reverse taper. This is the opposite of what you want. I put the piston against the top of the cylinder and spun it, marking the crown. The piston should only touch at the outer most edge of the cylinder.

 

[blsnelling]

Again, the beveling is extremely poor.

This transfer looks fine.

Then you have this one.