Natural crotches v.s. Pulleys

[MasterBlaster]

Hey TM, it looks like yur running out to the tip!

I can't tell from the pics two-dimensional aspect, but if I had to jog out to the end of that lead, I might have picked one of these two leads to tie-in.




I notice a lot of climbers fail to take advantage of one of my rules; Get to the highest point possible. The higher in the tree you can start out with, the easiest the rest of it is.

 

[NeTree]

Originally posted by RockyJSquirrel
Erik, You live in Whiteville obviously.

What's color got to do with speaking English?

For that matter, how do you tell someone who doesn't speak english they're hired? How do you train them? You don't see the communication problems as a safety issue? Do you have someone bi-lingual deal with them?

I wasn't being sarcastic when I asked; don't take me wrong. I'm just curious.

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
I notice a lot of climbers fail to take advantage of one of my rules; Get to the highest point possible. The higher in the tree you can start out with, the easiest the rest of it is.

Not to start another debate or anything, but that is another benifit about starting at the top. You get to where your line is set, set it higher if needed, and go down. That way huge limbwalks are no problem.


Carl

 

[Lumberjack]

On a limbwalking note, does anyone else through a short line across the end of a steep or long, or both limb, so that they can balance? I used it a few times when the limb is long and springy, like on pines in the south with long been pole limbs.


Carl

 

[Stumper]

TM, Your conjugation of the imperative "Tome otra vuelta" is correct. You are also correct that the rolling rule is for double Rs and initial Rs. Single Rs don't become Ds though. The single R is a dental R in Spanish-(You are correct in that respect) but the sound is still an R. Dentalizing an R causes it to contain a little "flip" even without an actual roll. The science of linguistics has descriptives for phonetical pronounciations of just about every possible human vocalization but most of us don't speak THAT language. :angel:

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by Stumper
TM, Your conjugation of the imperative "Tome otra vuelta" is correct. You are also correct that the rolling rule is for double Rs and initial Rs. Single Rs don't become Ds though. The single R is a dental R in Spanish-(You are correct in that respect) but the sound is still an R. Dentalizing an R causes it to contain a little "flip" even without an actual roll. The science of linguistics has descriptives for phonetical pronounciations of just about every possible human vocalization but most of us don't speak THAT language. :angel:

Dang! I was just gonna say the same thing, J!

 

[Tom Dunlap]

I upgraded to Netscape 7.1 yesterday and now I can't read bmps. Does anyone have any idea where I go to toggle the decoder ring on?

My SRT line is anchored at the base of the tree. There is enough extra rope below the Gri Gri to lower me out if I ever get injured. This aspect alone moves the SRT system ahead of the DdRT system.

My normal rope is a 200' 7/16" KMIII. With this rope I can get into a 60' TIP with a little extra. If I'm concerned about not having enough rope I would tie on another rope and then pull the knot up to the TIP but keep it on the climber's side. That way, my 200' rope gets me to a 100' TIP.

If I use a natural redi I make sure that the rope's route will clear OK. If I want to retrieve the rope from the redi I would clip a biner above the redi so that I could pull down the rope after working to a lower point in the tree.

Otherwise I do the same as I saw in the posted picture up above.


Tom

 

[MasterBlaster]

Geez, Tom!

You use a two hundred foot rope to set yur arse in a puny, child-like sixty foot crotch?

Watch out - yur loosing yur credibility, ya think?




Who do you hire to hank up yur lines?

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Who do you hire to hank up yur lines?

Remeber Butch, most don't hank, we flake, another marvolus thing.

Carl

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by Lumberjack
Remeber Butch, most don't hank, we flake, another marvolus thing.

Carl

Yeah.

Truly marvelous, indeed,

 

[NickfromWI]

Originally posted by Tree Machine


Tomar otra vuelta (to take another round) should be conjugated, 'Tome otra vuelta' (you take another round) 'tome' being prononced toe-may....

I stuck with the infinitive (ending it in -ar, for those of you who might not know what that means) to keep it simple. Would it be tome, or toma? are you in an Ud. environment, or are you using the "tu" form. Are there two guys down there, then toman would be appropriate. All this can be overwhelming to someone who isn't familiar with it. It is reasonable and the co-workers would definately know what you were saying (and they'd wonder where you learned it!) if you stuck with the infinitive. I know a guy from Beliz (native spanish speaker) who uses the infinitive about 60% of the time. You're right though, you should (and I do) conjugate verbs when using them.

And about the rolling r's, you guys are right. If you listen closely to an "r" in the middle of the word, it's pronounced like a soft roll, like they are just about to start rolling, but then stop because they are too busy getting on to the rest of the word!

We should start a spanish thread.

love
nick

 

[Lumberjack]

What ever works. I know that you are great at hankin rope up, and do it all the time, but can you take a hank of 200 foot of rope to the top of a tree, tie it off the end and drop it (hank or rope bag) without it tangling up?



Carl

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by NickfromWI
We should start a spanish thread.

Just fixin to say that.

Carl

 

[NickfromWI]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
You use a two hundred foot rope to set yur arse in a puny, child-like sixty foot crotch?

Note how he uses a gri-gri to attach the rope to the base of the tree. If he is up near the top of an 60' tree, there is 120' of rope out. 60' up, and 60' back to the base of the tree. He still has 80 feet of rope behind the gri-gri. When he grabs the cat and is ready to bring it down (yes, he climbed this tree to rescue a cat, and forgot to bring a duffle or something else to put the cat in), he wants to hold it carefully with two hands. How do you use two hands to hold a cat, AND lower yourself??? You don't! The elderly lady who owns the cat can pull the handle on the gri-gri and lower Tom and her cat safely to the ground So now he's used 180'. That only leaves 20' of unused rope. I'm sure you've climbed a tree or two carrying around 20' of rope you didn't need.

love
nick

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by Lumberjack
... but can you take a hank of 200 foot of rope to the top of a tree, tie it off the end and drop it (hank or rope bag) without it tangling up?



Carl

But of course! Why, you axe? Because I NEVER DROP MY HANKED LINE. Never. When I walk up on a tree, I DO NOT DROP MY HANK ON THE GROUND. Never.

I reverse the procedure for rolling it up. Whether I'm in a tree, or on the ground. If I have to walk ten feet to the next tree, I hank my line, and 'un-hank' it at the next tree.

Each 'hanking/un-hanking' event takes aboot 90 seconds.

I've never seen another Climber do this. I have an amazing amount of respect for the importance of a properly laid out line. It takes a 'lil more time, but it is one more less thing you have to worry aboot.

Eh? :angel:

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
But of course! Why, you axe? Because I NEVER DROP MY HANKED LINE. Never. When I walk up on a tree, I DO NOT DROP MY HANK ON THE GROUND. Never.

I reverse the procedure for rolling it up. Whether I'm in a tree, or on the ground. If I have to walk ten feet to the next tree, I hank my line, and 'un-hank' it at the next tree.

Each 'hanking/un-hanking' event takes aboot 90 seconds.

I've never seen another Climber do this. I have an amazing amount of respect for the importance of a properly laid out line. It takes a 'lil more time, but it is one more less thing you have to worry aboot.

Eh? :angel:

I just was wondering, for the average guy (or me at least), it is hard for me to hank a rope, but any groundy can flake it. I like being able to grab the end of the stable braid, tie it to my side, and up I go. Also with the Black Widow, I climb up and then tie off the end and drop the bag. Magically it flows to the ground without a tangle and is ready for action.


Have you got your books yet? You should have. If so what about the Black Widow?


Carl

 

[Tree Machine]

Pullyeys vs crotches

Would it be tome, or toma? are you in an Ud. environment, or are you using the "tu" form. Are there two guys down there, then toman would be appropriate.

I use tome (the ud. form) as a way of extending courtesy, and a bit of formality, at least until they tell me to bring it down a notch.

I was remembering one pully I use up in the tree, a Petzl ProTraxion that I use for zipline work. The cam allows for instant tensioning of the speedline. This is the only instance I have found for it up in the tree. It gets regular use on the ground, though. -TM-

I'm a hanker, not a flaker. I hang my ropes to stow them. Flaking doesn't lend itself well to being hung.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by Lumberjack
.. but any groundy can flake it.


Carl

No groundman rolls my ropes up.

 

[Lumberjack]

Re: Pullyeys vs crotches

Originally posted by Tree Machine
I'm a hanker, not a flaker. I hang my ropes to stow them. Flaking doesn't lend itself well to being hung.

You can hang the bag. I store my ropes in labled plastic boxes that are weather proof. That way I can leave them in the back of my truck without them getting wet and nasty. Plus it opens up alot of room in the cab.


Carl

 

[Stumper]

I remain slightly schizo in my rope handling-I hank/coil my rigging ropes and flake my climbing line and throwline. I can coil a rope as fast as I can flake it but flaked line deploys better.