need advise on setting up 4 or 5 to 1 pulley for felling trees & possible port-a-wra

[the Aerialist]

What's amazing is that a person with 5 years of rigging experience is attempting to educate someone with almost 30 yrs. of experience ..... Laughable actually

I hold an FAA rating as a master parachute rigger, I passed the written test and the practical examination from senior rigger to master in 1972. This doesn't make me an industrial rigger, a specialist in moving and securing heavy loads, but it does indicate that I know my ropes. It was this knowledge in part that made me think I'd do OK in this trade.

 

[jefflovstrom]

I didn't bother to watch the video. I was talking about possible ways to rig a force multiplier, giving an example of what I meant by "different angles" Let me ask you this with your obvious knowledge of force multipliers, i.e. pulley setups: Am I right or wrong about the setup I described?

If you were not such a 'know it all', You could have had an open mind so that some real and sane info could grow in your mind and make you come to grips with the fact that you really don't know much at all. Also you are a Fake!
Really Doug?
Remember, If you leave me now, I will be stuck with FTA!

Jeff

 

[jefflovstrom]

I hold an FAA rating as a master parachute rigger, I passed the written test and the practical examination from senior rigger to master in 1972. This doesn't make me an industrial rigger, a specialist in moving and securing heavy loads, but it does indicate that I know my ropes. It was this knowledge in part that made me think I'd do OK in this tra a turd with the FAA!

Let's give a parade to the FAA!
Jeff
:misdoubt:

 

[the Aerialist]

And a Happy New Year ...

.. you are a Fake! ...

Fake? At what? I've freely and honestly told my story and how I came to be here. That I find many of you (the d i c k clique) reprehensible and not worthy of respect irks many here, and for those non combatants who have to put up with the drivel and vitriol spewed here by the d i c k clique and even myself at times in response, I sincerely apologize.

But see Jeff, when I am attacked I tend to fight back. Coming to this site was like walking into a strange bar and getting sucker punched by the first guy who spoke to you. (and I think you were that first guy Jeff).

pdqdl is the only poster who seemed to want to post on topic. When I responded, also on topic, the feces flinging started. If that's designed to chase me away, good luck with that. Collectively, you've made this fight with me some kind of personal vendetta, but you know what? I own you all now because anybody with a brain can see from where the feces flow, from the mouths of the d i c k clique.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Fake? At what? I've freely and honestly told my story and how I came to be here. That I find many of you (the d i c k clique) reprehensible and not worthy of respect irks many here, and for those non combatants who have to put up with the drivel and vitriol spewed here by the d i c k clique and even myself at times in response, I sincerely apologize.

But see Jeff, when I am attacked I tend to fight back. Coming to this site was like walking into a strange bar and getting sucker punched by the first guy who spoke to you. (and I think you were that first guy Jeff).

pdqdl is the only poster who seemed to want to post on topic. When I responded, also on topic, the feces flinging started. If that's designed to chase me away, good luck with that. Collectively, you've made this fight with me some kind of personal vendetta, but you know what? I own you all now because anybody with a brain can see from where the feces flow, from the mouths of the d i c k clique.

Good-nite Doug, I am tired and have to get up early tomorrow, maybe we can spar when I get home.
Jeff

 

[the Aerialist]

Sweet dreams Jeff ...

Good-nite Doug, I am tired and have to get up early tomorrow, maybe we can spar when I get home.
Jeff

I'm still going because I have another day off tomorrow (now they say snow) and I got a nice nap today. Were we sparing? I thought this was a cage fight. Oh well, if you can leave, I guess it isn't a cage fight. Get your rest Jeff, you'll need it for tomorrow.

As to the rest of you, the beatings will continue until morale improves.

 

[pdqdl]

This is true with regard to the angle over the pulley for the rope, but another pulley set could be at any angle, say attached to another anchor using a block to redirect the tail of the first set and that multiplication would be added to the first. Not a common way of rigging a force multiplier, but useful to answer jeff's question.

I can't really agree with your assertion. Several reasons, mostly posited because I feel like typing tonight:

1. Jeff did not ask anything at all about angles, and he was being sarcastic about the length question. Hence, your answer is not useful to answering his question.

2. Either you failed to understand his intention, and posted your remark in error of the situation, or you were just being
just as much of a wise guy as he was. Trying to take it back now with further debate is not going to be encouraged by me.

3. In the purest interpretation of the scenario you presented above, NO! The mechanical advantage of one pulley set tugging upon another is not "added to the first", it is multiplied by the first. Since the original 5:1 pulley system was what was being explained in my post that inspired Jeff's sarcasm, no other configuration of pulleys could accomplish that mechanical advantage. You see, 5 is prime, and you can't get to a prime number by multiplying any set of whole numbers.

Q.E.D. I cannot agree with your statement.

 

[superjunior]

geez almost 2:00am and you guys still goin at it? well I'm off to work, gotta plow...

 

[sgreanbeans]

Is that add real? Probably is. Why is it, that some guys don't get it. This AA guy is the biggest idiot I have ever come across. I live in the boonies, so that's saying a lot. I am not sure he understands what you guys do and how you carry yourselves. A lot of time, when dealing with "pros", ya can just tell right away, whether or not they really know what they are doing. He has enough skill to be lucky and enough luck to look skilled. It will catch up, in one way or another. It may be a bad accident or a legal issue, who knows with him, but it will happen. There is nothing wrong with trying new and different techniques, equipment and styles. Bean is changing what I do every time I see him. But there is a way to run them across pros in the field, and that's what he does wrong. He might come up with something that suits him just fine, and that's cool, but then he goes and makes himself look like a total moron by trying to convince all of you that his way is better, when everyone knows that it is not, it may not be a bad way, but def not the best. His skill after watching all his videos is mediocre at best, I would put him at the skill level of a first year power company trimmer. Then to top it off, he has to add outside facts of his very questionable history, as if no one else on earth has done any of the things he claims. Men don't act like that, kids and small minded adults do. Men don't post to show off, they post to share. Men can take constructive criticism, use it and move on, hoping for more. Ignorant people consider it a insult. Not one time have I read where anyone on here said anything other than what you need to do. You just cant read between the lines AA. Sure they talk sh it, that's what they do, if ya paid attention, instead of thinking of the next ridiculous thing to say, you would realize that they all talk sh it, and they all take away knowledge whether they admit it or not. I have, just two other guys arguing over a machine gave me enough info to make a decision on what one I want. They where going at it good, next thread they where agreeing and arguing with someone else! Teaching and learning again. The difference between you and them, simple. They are tree guys,rough and cocky, with good reason, your just a fool , jack of al trades, wont be long, you will be out of the tree business and into something else, you'll add the tree industry to your very long resume of things that you failed at. Beans told me about you, told me about your videos, I didn't believe him, no full grown man acts like that. Its a damn good thing all your paid Angiesl list customer don't read this forum huh!
Outsider looking in.

Now, just so you all know, it took me a long a s s time to type this! I may be redneck, but I no dummy. I swear I heard applause in the back ground.
Bobby Lee out

Oh MY God, did you really type that? Or did Josey do it! Your words I know, but who typed it!

There is no one that is more brutally honest than good ol Bobby Lee, good job, I feel like I just watched one of my kids win a medal at a judo tournament, proud :msp_thumbsup:

 

[DDM]

Carry on...

 

[Tree Pig]

hmm

Apparently that struck a chord with more then just me. Because that was fast.

 

[squad143]

Apparently that struck a chord with more then just me. Because that was fast.

Blazing fast. Thank God for the "instant notification" on my iPhone or I would have missed it.

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. Then again, maybe it does but we just don't see it.

Big brother is watching.............



At least DDM is. . Good for him.

 

[the Aerialist]

I get to meet another moderator ...

Carry on...

Thanks David, that was not meant as a racist slur, only a play on sgreenbeans liking for beans. As to the other part of my now deleted post, you should check to see if sgreenbeans and Bobby Lee Wayne are posting from the same IP address, unless it's OK to create sock puppets here.

Although my cousin Lee is a real person and really suffers from PTSD to the tune of a 100% disability as determined from the shrinks at the VA hospital, maybe I should give him a voice here by creating an account for him, like sgreenbeans has done for his imaginary "cousin", Bubba Lee.

 

[squad143]

Since I'm Canadian, I've never heard that term before.

Had to look it up.

 

[Tree Pig]

Since I'm Canadian, I've never heard that term before.

Had to look it up.

Ill bet you the old racist uses it all the time and meant it. I have to admit in my utter disgust and shock over such a thoughtless attempt to not only insult another respected AS member but a whole race of people (many of which are doing wonders for the tree care industry :msp_wink I had to report the post. This is not the 60's and 70's anymore AA you can just toss around slang like that anymore. Maybe at them private meetings with you cousin lee and the crack head go to, but not here in public... Honestly I thought his appalling display deserved him a good ban like... FOREVER.

 

[the Aerialist]

... I have to admit in my utter disgust and shock over such a thoughtless attempt to not only insult another respected AS member but a whole race of people (many of which are doing wonders for the tree care industry :msp_wink ...

Sorry if you or anyone took my contraction of sgreenbeans handle here as a racist slur, that was not my intention, nor do such things have a place here. I speak Spanish and have known and been friends with many people for whom Spanish is their first language.

Having said that, your emoticon after your comment about "doing wonders for the tree care industry" just shows your own racial leanings concerning our brothers from the south.

 

[Tree Pig]

Sorry if you or anyone took my contraction of sgreenbeans handle here as a racist slur, that was not my intention, nor do such things have a place here. I speak Spanish and have known and been friends with many people for whom Spanish is their first language.

Having said that, your emoticon after your comment about "doing wonders for the tree care industry" just shows your own racial leanings concerning our brothers from the south.

There you go making assumptions about my comments... apparently it shows your mindset... how long ago did you shave the short mustache off?

 

[the Aerialist]

There you go making assumptions about my comments... apparently it shows your mindset...

It is your own racist thinking that caused you to to make my contraction of sgreenbeans handle here into something it was not. Nice try at getting me banned for your sins ~ FAIL sucker ...

 

[Tree Pig]

It is your own racist thinking that caused you to to make my contraction of sgreenbeans handle here into something it was not. Nice try at getting me banned for your sins ~ FAIL sucker ...

well Ill keep my fingers crossed for the next time.

 

[Bobby Lee Wayne]

wHAT happened