Need to ID this Vine

[JTinaTree]

Ok fellas need your help on this one, I thought it was English Ivy until I saw the berries. I have got English Ivy on the ground in my back yard, and it does not have these berries on it.

I have also ruled out Poison Ivy, because it would loose its folliage this time of year. I am though wondering if it is some type of poison sumac? The vine was cut by the homeowner almost a month ago and it still lives.. I have seen this same vine kill a number of White Oaks in the area.

And it looks like this is going to be a removal as well. The homeowner thought the Ivy looked pretty for years, until I recently told him his tree was dying. So I instructed him to cut the vine at the trunk, and as the pics show the vine still looks healthy??

 

[ASD]

I THINK IT IS "English Ivy" THAT IS GOING TO SEED

 

[Canyonbc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy

i am not very good at guessing plant names or anything, and i know this is only wikepedia...but typing in English Ivy, i am getting pictures that appear to be the same.

Can you spray English Ivy so the berries dont come around??? (or does this sound whacked)...just trying to conclude to why your english ivy doesnt have berries.

Looks like a fun removal, i think it would be tough to save that one...

Is the tree dead??? Doesnt look like much is going on up in the canopy...but its the middle of winter too.

Canyon

 

[joesawer]

I have always called that English Ivy.
It has many stems of all sizes that grow around the tree like shrink wrapped webbing, that appear to graft and regraft themselfs. This may be why it still appears healthy after cutting the bigger stems. It may also just be cool wet weather keeping it green much longer than hot dry weather would.

 

[JTinaTree]

So it looks like Hebera Hibernica with Berries, Thanks to Canyons link I had no idea there were so many different kinds of english ivy.

I asume with all the wet weather we have been having lately is why it has not died yet, The tree is still alive for now but its probably going to die, judging by the other ones in the area.

Thanks

 

[treeseer]

So it looks like Hebera Hibernica with Berries, Thanks to Canyons link I had no idea there were so many different kinds of english ivy. The tree is still alive for now but its probably going to die, judging by the other ones in the area.

Hedera helix, common as dirt. TreeCo is right; the adult form is woodier.

Why do you think the tree will die (aside from root abuse)???

Were you in Henderson in 2003, when the maple crushed the car in front of the middle school?

 

[JTinaTree]

Treeser, I have seen other oaks in the area with less ivy that went untreated and they are dead. We had a very dry summer here and the white oaks were dying anyway.

The tree has a healthy one right next to it, not seen in the pictures, and you can really tell a big difference between the two.. I saw this ivy covered tree late summer and it had hardly any leaves left on it.

I don't remember the maple/car accident but I guess it happen...

 

[treeseer]

JT, ivy can be a stressor as it competes for water, but I've never known ivy alone to kill a tree. I've seen a lot of very healthy trees that were coated with ivy.

Mulch helps resist drought damage by conserving root moisture.

 

[Canyonbc]

Only one way to know for sure...remove all the ivy from the tree and go from there...

Looks like it could be an amazing tree...when the canopy fills out again and can get going again.

 

[LTREES]

I see this in an old development on sycamores. People ask about killing the ivy, but this stuff is really stuck to the tree. I'd hate to price removing it. I've tried to pull a piece off, it doesn't budge. So i tell them to enjoy the creation God gave them and when and if the tree becomes unsafe call me. Has any one ever removed ivy of this magnitude?
not little stuff.

 

[BC WetCoast]

I see this in an old development on sycamores. People ask about killing the ivy, but this stuff is really stuck to the tree. I'd hate to price removing it. I've tried to pull a piece off, it doesn't budge. So i tell them to enjoy the creation God gave them and when and if the tree becomes unsafe call me. Has any one ever removed ivy of this magnitude?
not little stuff.

I tooks some ivy off some alder and cedar this morning. The owner only wanted it girdled so I only did the bottom 6' of tree, but it will kill the ivy over the next year.

Removing ivy like this takes time, but is fairly easy. Just use your climbing saw and cut the ivy stems to the bark. I use a large screwdriver to break it free from the tree and then it pulls off. Just make lots of small cuts.

It would probably take 2-4 hours to strip this tree. I can't gauge the actual size from these pictures.

 

[treeseer]

Me and another climber took a full 8-hour day to de-ivy a beech tree once. By the hour of course; owner had nice deep pockets. Pleasant work, really; kinda mesmerizing.

A few days ago I spent an hour or so taking poison ivy off an ancient mulberry. It comes off more easily than english ivy.

Vines can be vile or valuable, depending...

 

[TheKid]

evil ivy

I've been lucky enough to spend a total of almost 2 WEEKS (spread over 2 months) pulling ivy off bigleaf maples, doug firs, western red cedars and red alders. All these trees are on the property of a great client with deep pockets who allows us to work there any time, going through the 3 acres pruning and removing select few trees. we go up there when it gets a little slow. i really enjoy this kind of work as it is methodical and therapeutic. i use my silky sugoi and a crowbar on a lanyard. this stuff can get huge, 3". invasive non-native species. destroy on site. and from what i've seen, it CAN kill trees. girdling action of these vines can be extreme. as well as the overall "smothering effect" reducing the tree growth to the extreme tips. not good.

 

[joesawer]

I see this in an old development on sycamores. People ask about killing the ivy, but this stuff is really stuck to the tree. I'd hate to price removing it. I've tried to pull a piece off, it doesn't budge. So i tell them to enjoy the creation God gave them and when and if the tree becomes unsafe call me. Has any one ever removed ivy of this magnitude?
not little stuff.

Yes, unfortunately I have removed Ivy from several trees. From young to very old and bushy. Actually for me the bigger, older stuff is actually easier to get off than the young, flexible, and constantly breaking stuff. Either way it can be a real pain.
What I really don't like is removals with heavy Ivy, it is a real nuisance.

 

[LTREES]

Thanks for the in put. The vines over lap so much you can hardly see the trunk of the tree. What does the tree look like after the operation? is it worth doing or is it only for the deep pocketed? I don't think they want to see a tree that looks like it ran through a sticker bush. ( i know to take great care with the saw, but does the vine leave any debris behind? )

 

[joesawer]

Thanks for the in put. The vines over lap so much you can hardly see the trunk of the tree. What does the tree look like after the operation? is it worth doing or is it only for the deep pocketed? I don't think they want to see a tree that looks like it ran through a sticker bush. ( i know to take great care with the saw, but does the vine leave any debris behind? )

The tree SHOULD look fine when you get done.
I charge plenty for doing it, as it is tedious and the fibers are kind of like fiber glass, and I just don't like messing with it.
The only thing I use a saw for is to cut the branching stems that are growing away from the trunk. The vines are like a shrink wrapped net that is stuck to the bark. To remove them I just use a flat bar and framing hammer. When I get done all that is left is the little root like fibers that hold the vines to the bark.

 

[geofore]

ivy

It's easier to remove if you cut it this year and wait till next year to pull it off. Not many homeowners are willing to wait. Here in PA it takes about 30-40 years to get a growth of english ivy like that on a tree. If you cut it late in the fall the leaves stay green till spring. nice pics

 

[Mitchell]

agread

It's easier to remove if you cut it this year and wait till next year to pull it off. Not many homeowners are willing to wait. Here in PA it takes about 30-40 years to get a growth of english ivy like that on a tree. If you cut it late in the fall the leaves stay green till spring. nice pics

With english ivy, it is much easier to come back in a year, even a few weeks will make life easier. The little fiber roots lossen off when the stalks are cut. On the west coast the stuff grows like crazy as there is no freeze. The ivy only blossems when it grows up unto something; might be why you noticed a difference in apperence. I find it irritates me and stings in any wounds i have.

I think this 70' balsam Im in was a decade of growth. I was bringing the tree down to 35 feet for a habitat tree. As noticed in the pic I find working with ivy to be easier from the top down. I bring up a crow bar if it has to go that day.

 

[pbtree]

English Ivy~!

 

[winchman]

Crowbars

We do a lot of ivy removals like that here at the Biltmore Estate. Our tool of preference is the crow bar. The longer, the better, take as many prying tools as possible - you will be sorry if you try to use your bar tool too much (my hand starts to hurt from trying to bang on it). All the white oaks that we do it on look great after we are done, sometimes a little bark comes off, but there is usually some to spare on those old trees.
We remove it to expose weak sections of the tree underneath - last year we had a 45" white oak crack and nearly fail at an old codominant - it would have been noticed long ago if the ivy had been removed. In this sense, ivy poses a serious safety hazard. If the tree in question would have failed, it could have crushed a busload of people.