New 60cc saw advice

[holeycow]

362 m tronic ftw . They're awesome saws and built very well. 361 is also sweet and I've owned one and loved it. But that m tronic is hard to beat. I love not having to tinker with the carb all the time honestly. Get it and do a muff mod on it and you'll be happy.
My second choice would be husky 562xp. Also a sweet beast.
When I plan to buy something that I'm going to plan on having for 30 years, I'm going to spend what I have to to get exactly what I want.

I doubt any of the new electronic carb saws will run really long, as they are tuned too lean, and the 50:1 mix recommendation does nothing to alleviate that issue.

Jmo

 

[Conquistador3]

I doubt any of the new electronic carb saws will run really long, as they are tuned too lean, and the 50:1 mix recommendation does nothing to alleviate that issue.

Jmo

Yes, let's get back to the days of Villiers engines running on 16:1 petroil lubrication. Real men's engines and damn reliable to boot.

All the mistrust for M-Tronic, Autotune, lean F/A ratios and modern lubricants reminds me of when Bert Hopwood told the AMC board they needed to invest money in improving the reliability of their engines and especially cutting maintenance costs to compete with Honda. He was told not to worry about "all this nonsense" and that real men, the kind that rode a Commando, just loved spending his weekends reseating valves. Too bad at one point even those real men got tired of riding around with basically 30's technology.

 

[James Miller]

Yes, let's get back to the days of Villiers engines running on 16:1 petroil lubrication. Real men's engines and damn reliable to boot.

All the mistrust for M-Tronic, Autotune, lean F/A ratios and modern lubricants reminds me of when Bert Hopwood told the AMC board they needed to invest money in improving the reliability of their engines and especially cutting maintenance costs to compete with Honda. He was told not to worry about "all this nonsense" and that real men, the kind that rode a Commando, just loved spending his weekends reseating valves. Too bad at one point even those real men got tired of riding around with basically 30's technology.

I agree with this. Technology will never move backwards. Someone will crack the code on the auto tune saws just like they did with automotive ECUs. Then you be able to set the tune however you want. Tuning with a screw driver and a chunk of wood doesn't bother me. Some day I'll give an auto tune saw a try.

 

[Brian72]

Well we can put this one to bed. I'd still like a 620p and might buy one later this summer if I can find an appreciation day close. I'd like it for a spare saw and one that other people can use.

I found an ms441c for a good price and got it. Currently in ups's hands. hopefully it's as good a deal as it sounded like. If it is then it and the 028 will be my main saws.

Congrats! Give us updates when you get it.

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[longbowch]

Well we can put this one to bed. I'd still like a 620p and might buy one later this summer if I can find an appreciation day close. I'd like it for a spare saw and one that other people can use.

I found an ms441c for a good price and got it. Currently in ups's hands. hopefully it's as good a deal as it sounded like. If it is then it and the 028 will be my main saws.

The 441cm is a great saw. Super smooth and great filtration. Love mine.

 

[Whitbread]

I'm all for buying lightly used and saving some $$ over brand new. I just replaced my rebuilt and lightly modded 24" bar MS280 with a 2014 husky 555 and couldn't be happier. It needed a piston as someone very briefly ran it on straight gas. Nikasil was fine, just a touch of muriatic acid on a qtip removed the one streak of aluminum on the bore. While I was in there, I raised the exhaust port about 1mm and widened it by 2-3mm total, nothing crazy. I also did a muffler mod since it was in my hand. Put a 24" bar and full chisel chain on it and went out to do the 5 calibration cuts. Holy hell! If someone took the stickers off and handed you both saws, you'd never believe there was only 5cc of difference. The 555 will pull the buried 24" bar with authority where you had to be a touch gentle with the 24" on the 280 not to bog it down. As far as autotune supposedly causing hard starts, I've never had a saw that cold started so easily. Hasn't taken more than 3 pulls cold and only one pull 99% of time when hot (taken 2 pulls once or twice). So far I've cut about 4 full cords in the last few weeks and it's still continuing to impress me, especially on the fuel usage.

 

[Khntr85]

I personally wouldn’t want to be running a 28” on a ms311, that dealer scares me!!!

I have ran the ms390/ms391 and I wouldn’t want more than a 25” on them buried in hard wood...

And did he say a 35” on a ms362????

 

[Sherwoodspower]

As a dealer for Stihl, Jonsered and Echo I can tell you that each manufacture has its bright spots. The Stihl MS362 and Jonsered CS2260 are both electronically controlled carbs and do run exceptional well but they are a little more tech involved then some of the other saws. The Husqvarna and Jonsered saws are constantly rewriting there tunes which can be a pain in the ass because if you let them idle for any period of time they will tune the saw to run best at idle and not full throttle. The other downside to those saws are price, all those saws are $700 plus which for a home owner burning wood can be a bit pricey which is totally understandable. I personally like a lot of the Echo models and have no issues pushing a customer from a Stihl to a Jonsered or a Echo depending on what the customer is looking for. Most customers that are home owners buying one of these $700 is expecting durability and honestly there is a good chance that the electric solenoids in those carbs will fail or the circuit board will take a crap in the coil, it happens. One of the things that I like about the Echo and some of the Jonsered models are that they are simple good operating saws. I personally don't bleed a certain color like some dealers or customers do, I like to supply my customer with the best product for them in there price range. I will tell you that Echo does lack fit and finish compared to some of the other manufactures but they produce a saw that's simple and it works. Its funny sometimes guys come in looking for a Stihl and then I start talking about Echo and its like I killed there dog. The one thing that I will give Stihl is that they keep it in the dealers versus big box stores which I do as a dealer really appreciate. One thing that I don't appreciate is that they will open 5 dealers around you starting a pissing war between the dealers or the dealers aren't really qualified to sell a product that has a certain function and application. Like the dealer telling you that you can put a 32" on a MS362. Hell I dont recommend a 24" on a MS 362!!! It will do it but not efficiently. I have sold a bunch of the CS 590 with 20" bars and like them quite a bit for the pice, hands down you can not beat that saw for the price!!! I would also recommend the CS 620 20" which again for the price you cant beat it and you get all of the advantages of a pro saw builds which I personalty always go for in my own saws. If you wanted to go up to the 70cc range for the price I would recommend the Jonsered CS 2166 with a 24" or a Husqvarna XP 365 with the same 24". The funny thing is that I grew up on Stihl and as of this season I'll have a CS 2511T, CS 310, CS 620 and a CS 2166, everything but a Stihl lol

 

[Brian72]

As a dealer for Stihl, Jonsered and Echo I can tell you that each manufacture has its bright spots. The Stihl MS362 and Jonsered CS2260 are both electronically controlled carbs and do run exceptional well but they are a little more tech involved then some of the other saws. The Husqvarna and Jonsered saws are constantly rewriting there tunes which can be a pain in the ass because if you let them idle for any period of time they will tune the saw to run best at idle and not full throttle. The other downside to those saws are price, all those saws are $700 plus which for a home owner burning wood can be a bit pricey which is totally understandable. I personally like a lot of the Echo models and have no issues pushing a customer from a Stihl to a Jonsered or a Echo depending on what the customer is looking for. Most customers that are home owners buying one of these $700 is expecting durability and honestly there is a good chance that the electric solenoids in those carbs will fail or the circuit board will take a crap in the coil, it happens. One of the things that I like about the Echo and some of the Jonsered models are that they are simple good operating saws. I personally don't bleed a certain color like some dealers or customers do, I like to supply my customer with the best product for them in there price range. I will tell you that Echo does lack fit and finish compared to some of the other manufactures but they produce a saw that's simple and it works. Its funny sometimes guys come in looking for a Stihl and then I start talking about Echo and its like I killed there dog. The one thing that I will give Stihl is that they keep it in the dealers versus big box stores which I do as a dealer really appreciate. One thing that I don't appreciate is that they will open 5 dealers around you starting a pissing war between the dealers or the dealers aren't really qualified to sell a product that has a certain function and application. Like the dealer telling you that you can put a 32" on a MS362. Hell I dont recommend a 24" on a MS 362!!! It will do it but not efficiently. I have sold a bunch of the CS 590 with 20" bars and like them quite a bit for the pice, hands down you can not beat that saw for the price!!! I would also recommend the CS 620 20" which again for the price you cant beat it and you get all of the advantages of a pro saw builds which I personalty always go for in my own saws. If you wanted to go up to the 70cc range for the price I would recommend the Jonsered CS 2166 with a 24" or a Husqvarna XP 365 with the same 24". The funny thing is that I grew up on Stihl and as of this season I'll have a CS 2511T, CS 310, CS 620 and a CS 2166, everything but a Stihl lol

Great insight. The world needs more dealers like you. In my experience, unless you're in a big logging area, most dealers aren't really saw specialists. They just sell them along with mowers,trimmers and tractors. Not saying they're bad but commercial saw use over long periods of time just isn't something they deal with. More knowledge in these forums.

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[Sherwoodspower]

Great insight. The world needs more dealers like you. In my experience, unless you're in a big logging area, most dealers aren't really saw specialists. They just sell them along with mowers,trimmers and tractors. Not saying they're bad but commercial saw use over long periods of time just isn't something they deal with. More knowledge in these forums.

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I'm not really in a logging area but I take pride in giving a customer the correct saw even if it means not selling a customer a saw. I have customers that come in and constantly want to slap 24"-28" bars that don't belong on a product. I had a guy that wanted a MS 271 with a 24" bar and I told the guy that you cant run a 24" on a 50cc but I didn't know what I was talking about. At my shop I'm all about whats efficient and a 24" on a 50cc wouldn't exactly fit into that category lol. Some dealer just sell a customer a line of b.s. and get them out the door but that never made sense to me. I personally under size all of my saws, my 30cc-40cc get 12's, 50cc saws get 16's, 70cc saws get 20"-24". Nobody wants to use a dog for a saw and its really not to hard to make a great saw into a total turd with the wrong bar.

 

[James Miller]

As a dealer for Stihl, Jonsered and Echo I can tell you that each manufacture has its bright spots. The Stihl MS362 and Jonsered CS2260 are both electronically controlled carbs and do run exceptional well but they are a little more tech involved then some of the other saws. The Husqvarna and Jonsered saws are constantly rewriting there tunes which can be a pain in the ass because if you let them idle for any period of time they will tune the saw to run best at idle and not full throttle. The other downside to those saws are price, all those saws are $700 plus which for a home owner burning wood can be a bit pricey which is totally understandable. I personally like a lot of the Echo models and have no issues pushing a customer from a Stihl to a Jonsered or a Echo depending on what the customer is looking for. Most customers that are home owners buying one of these $700 is expecting durability and honestly there is a good chance that the electric solenoids in those carbs will fail or the circuit board will take a crap in the coil, it happens. One of the things that I like about the Echo and some of the Jonsered models are that they are simple good operating saws. I personally don't bleed a certain color like some dealers or customers do, I like to supply my customer with the best product for them in there price range. I will tell you that Echo does lack fit and finish compared to some of the other manufactures but they produce a saw that's simple and it works. Its funny sometimes guys come in looking for a Stihl and then I start talking about Echo and its like I killed there dog. The one thing that I will give Stihl is that they keep it in the dealers versus big box stores which I do as a dealer really appreciate. One thing that I don't appreciate is that they will open 5 dealers around you starting a pissing war between the dealers or the dealers aren't really qualified to sell a product that has a certain function and application. Like the dealer telling you that you can put a 32" on a MS362. Hell I dont recommend a 24" on a MS 362!!! It will do it but not efficiently. I have sold a bunch of the CS 590 with 20" bars and like them quite a bit for the pice, hands down you can not beat that saw for the price!!! I would also recommend the CS 620 20" which again for the price you cant beat it and you get all of the advantages of a pro saw builds which I personalty always go for in my own saws. If you wanted to go up to the 70cc range for the price I would recommend the Jonsered CS 2166 with a 24" or a Husqvarna XP 365 with the same 24". The funny thing is that I grew up on Stihl and as of this season I'll have a CS 2511T, CS 310, CS 620 and a CS 2166, everything but a Stihl lol

I have my 590 because me dealer pointed me away from a 362. Only parts I really wish it had from the 620 is the coil and carb. Being ported it could use some more carb and the unlimited coil with more advance couldn't hurt but there pricey.

 

[Brian72]

I'm not really in a logging area but I take pride in giving a customer the correct saw even if it means not selling a customer a saw. I have customers that come in and constantly want to slap 24"-28" bars that don't belong on a product. I had a guy that wanted a MS 271 with a 24" bar and I told the guy that you cant run a 24" on a 50cc but I didn't know what I was talking about. At my shop I'm all about whats efficient and a 24" on a 50cc wouldn't exactly fit into that category lol. Some dealer just sell a customer a line of b.s. and get them out the door but that never made sense to me. I personally under size all of my saws, my 30cc-40cc get 12's, 50cc saws get 16's, 70cc saws get 20"-24". Nobody wants to use a dog for a saw and its really not to hard to make a great saw into a total turd with the wrong bar.

I agree. I see many buyers at my dealer that probably shouldn't even be running a saw. Most don't even know how to sharpen a chain. They're extremely brand-biased without any experience. They come in pounding their chest about owning a Stihl and won't hear of anything else. It's more about having the proper saw for the job. Not brand.

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[Mastermind Worksaws]

I work on saws everyday for a living.

Best 60cc saw?

There ain't one.

Best value? Echo CS590
Best build quality? Stihl MS362
Fastest after porting? Dolmar 6100
Best handling saw? Husqvarna 562XP

 

[Brian72]

I work on saws everyday for a living.

Best 60cc saw?

There ain't one.

Best value? Echo CS590
Best build quality? Stihl MS362
Fastest after porting? Dolmar 6100
Best handling saw? Husqvarna 562XP

Could you please send me one of each so I can test your theory? Lol. Good info. Plenty of great choices available.

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[Mastermind Worksaws]

Could you please send me one of each so I can test your theory? Lol. Good info. Plenty of great choices available.

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I'd happily sell you one of each.

 

[Brian72]

I'd happily sell you one of each. [emoji23]

I'll certainly keep that in mind. I'm very curious about the 562xp. Lots of guys are really liking them.

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[Mastermind Worksaws]

I'll certainly keep that in mind. I'm very curious about the 562xp. Lots of guys are really liking them.

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I get great deals on every brand. I buy a lot of new saws.

 

[Vibes]

I was all set to buy a cs600 or 620 until I ran a Dolmar 6100. Then when I found out my Husky bars fit the Dolmar and the bargain even became bigger.

 

[Mastermind Worksaws]

I was all set to buy a cs600 or 620 until I ran a Dolmar 6100. Then when I found out my Husky bars fit the Dolmar and the bargain even became bigger.

I really love the 6100. So much so that I got one for myself.

 

[Brian72]

I get great deals on every brand. I buy a lot of new saws.

Good to know. Gotta get a few of my old Macs running before I get another. Such a vicious cycle!

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