New chip truck

[TRISTATEFORESTRYEQUIPMENT]

for 32,500 you can buy this work ready, under cdl, large capacity international chip truck

 

[ChoppyChoppy]

Yep been talking to Southco. Looking at either a class 6 or 7 under CDL. For comparison sake, how many yards fits in a box that's 13' long x. 5' high x 7.5' wide?

18 yards

 

[ChoppyChoppy]

Have a quote from SouthCo for their HDMP1672 (16' long x 6' high x 8' wide) box on a class 7 right now. How many yds. would that hold? It's 33K gross w/ air brakes & I think I need 26K gross (under CDL). Anyone have any pics of this setup on a class 6 or 7 (preferably crew cab)?

28 yards

 

[gorman]

Yeah, 28 yards would put you over 26,000 lbs. The truck empty would weigh in around 16k. Then add the payload.

 

[rtsims]

Currently looking into the international 4300 chip trucks. Currently run a C7500 gasser and it's a gutless turd. Pros/ cons to the 4300's?

 

[gorman]

What year? What engine? What transmission? I've said it before but in case you don't know. Avoid the vt365 bridge engine, it's total garbage.

 

[rtsims]

Nothing set in stone, but probably 2005 or newer, diesel, 6 speed manual or Allison. Going to stay under 26k, no air brakes etc.

 

[Samcronkite]

We run a 2005 International 4300 with dt466 and Allison, empty it is a little over 16,000 lbs. It has about a 20 yard box, I believe 6' tall 14' long and 7' wide. Depending on what your chipping it will weigh over 26,000lbs full. We have had ours up to 32,000, that also included the tongue weight of chipper. Just something to think about. Also our Internationals have to have the radiators steam cleaned every once in while or the trucks over heat.

 

[Locust Cutter]

The VT365 isn't a bad engine once worked on. It's simply a de-tuned 6.0 Powerstroke.

 

[Blakesmaster]

Nothing set in stone, but probably 2005 or newer, diesel, 6 speed manual or Allison. Going to stay under 26k, no air brakes etc.

If you have half a brain you'll get air brakes.

 

[rtsims]

Someone **** in your Cheerios there buckwheat?
Air brakes requires cdl here in Oregon.

 

[Locust Cutter]

With the weight of the wood, box and chipper let alone the base truck, you'd be foolish NOT to get a truck rated between 26-37K, with proper air brakes, a jake and either a good auto or a 9spd manual. I understand what you're trying to avoid (costs and the DOT) BUT you know you'll be flirting with or outright breaking the limit otherwise, probably often and it's only a matter of time until you get a nasty ticket (if you're lucky) or sued for running overweight and under-equipped while accidentally killing somebody. Lawyers would have a field-day with that one (so you better have awesome insurance which may NOT cover you while operating illegally).

I despise the EPA and don't agree with a lot of the Gov't intrusion into our lives, but many of the DOT laws are there for a good reason. Please think to your crew's lives and other peoples who will be encountered by your truck(s) on a daily basis at highway speed. And think of the idiots (who I agree should know better) that constantly set themselves up for death by being too close to big trucks at highway speed. It's still going to be their fault (most of the time) but the rules change when one of the incident vehicles is near or beyond CDL territory. The idiots almost get a free pass.

Hel I'm looking at either a 5500 Ram 4x4 or a freightliner/int'l/etc single axle crew cab with a 5th wheel plate and a GN ball. I'd only tag it to 39K and be able to do everything I ever want to do, but legally. And yes, I would have to acquire my Class-A (farm use only), have a DOT health check, etc. I don't relish any of those things, but I don't want to accidentally kill anyone and be financially ruined for the rest of my life.

I'll get off of my soap box now and sorry if I pissed you off.

 

[rtsims]

I'm fully aware of the benefits to having a larger truck etc. and in due time we will run crews with a cdl driver on them. Not in the cards right now financially. That adds a lot of overhead. I completely agree with being fully legal, we flirt with weight all the time. Our C7500 is registered at 26k but has a GVWR of 29, so "technically" we should have cdl's and dot #s.
The government makes it hard on the small business man, but it's still the law and I get it. Good post locust cutter.

 

[Locust Cutter]

Sorry I wasn't trying to bust your balls (I hate a lot of the rules, fees and regs too) but I look at hauling heavy crap like I look at riding my motorcycles: Everyone is either trying to kill me or kill themselves (via my vehicles). With people will to sue others when their kids die of a peanut allergy (w/o them ever making it known to others), accountability is totally lost. In any case, this new socialism looks to punish the business owner for the audacity of trying to make a living under the onerous fees, regs, rules, etc... My wife has a small business (w/1 full-time employee) and I'm looking at spinning up a second one with my Father between cutting grass and wood. I hate these things but being financially destitute because some idiot did something stupid and caused a wreck (while I happened to be flirting with the edges of the law) and that somehow makes it my fault and my family's financial ruination, that's unacceptable to me.

I feel for you and wish you the best. I've had a lot of similar discussions with my Wife (my grounding rod) and She reminds me of what I can get away with out in BFE (where I live) vice major metropolitan areas and how serious the lawyers are... Be smart and the good Lord will provide.

 

[ChoppyChoppy]

I'm fully aware of the benefits to having a larger truck etc. and in due time we will run crews with a cdl driver on them. Not in the cards right now financially. That adds a lot of overhead. I completely agree with being fully legal, we flirt with weight all the time. Our C7500 is registered at 26k but has a GVWR of 29, so "technically" we should have cdl's and dot #s.
The government makes it hard on the small business man, but it's still the law and I get it. Good post locust cutter.

Here, aside from a few exceptions, over 10,000lbs OR used commercially (ie a business) needs DOT #.

I realize that is just info for here, but the point being the "under 26k" isn't a golden rule by any means.
OP, make sure to check your state laws.

 

[Blakesmaster]

You don't need a cdl for air brakes.

 

[rtsims]

Both statement are incorrect for the state of Oregon. Over 10k you need truck plates. Any vehicle with air brakes requires a cdl.

 

[Locust Cutter]

You don't need a cdl for air brakes.

That depends on the state. I have to check KDOT but I believe KS, for example mandates that you have a Class-A to operate air brakes, even under 26K. It used to be an endorsement, but I believe it changed. I'll try to track that down.

 

[Blakesmaster]

Do yourself a favor and go to the dmv and get the book. I have no interest in cdl laws in Oregon to look it up for you.

 

[tree MDS]

Or just call DMV and ask them. I'm sure Tiquanda, or any of the other ladies will be happy to answer any questions he might have. Lol.