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D-50Dave

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I've joined this forum because I've learned that when I start a new venture, forums like this are fun and informative. I got a woodstove a year and a half ago, which started me into gathering and sizing wood. I've been using my dad's 30+ year old McCulloch, that he bought at Caldor's for $125 new. It's pretty well worn out. I'm looking through CL for a good used saw to feed my stove 1 1/2 to 2 cords a year. I'm overwhelmed with the choices and could use some input. Thanx, Dave
 
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I've joined this forum because I've learned that when I start a new venture, forums like this are fun and informative. I got a woodstove a year and a half ago, which started me into gathering and sizing wood. I've been using my dad's 30+ year old McCulloch, that he bought at Caldor's for $125 new. It's pretty well worn out. I'm looking through CL for a good used saw to feed my stove 1 1/2 to 2 cords a year. I'm overwhelmed with the choices and could use some input. Thanx, Dave
Dave, (this is only my opinion), If you know your way around machines, and have a well stocked supply of tools, with extra time to spare, and don't mind chasing-down a vacuum leak (for example), then a pre-owned piece of equipment might be a nice hobby. This however, can turn into a costly, time-consuming, adventure. Stihl, Husqvarna, and Solo, (all high quality) each have their idiosyncasies; it comes to personal preference. Maybe the nearest dealer should be taken into consideration; If you like Stihl, but the nearest dealer is 75 miles away, that might not be the best choice for you. I personally, select professional models only, as I do my own work, and they are worth fixing. The pro models have higher power, and durability, and only a few hundred dollars more than the homeowners versions. I also own an Echo (small saw for limbing), which has never failed to start or run. Although not as hearty as my Stihls, it's quite a nice machine, especially for the $:quality ratio, but it in no ways compares to the Stihls
 
How big (in diameter) is the material you will be cutting? New 50-60cc saws just aren't enough for me to go looking at used. I assume anything used will need repairs. So you spend $250-300 for a good quality used saw. Needs, say, $100 in parts to start. Takes you 3 hours messing with it. 3 months later another $100 and another 3 hours, plus down time waiting on parts when you want to use it. So you are $550 and 6 hours labor into a used saw. You could have spent $400-450 to get a pretty good new saw (Husqvarna 450 rancher, for example) or $600 have a great professional saw (Husqvarna 550XP MII or Stihl 216CM). At 2 cords per year using ethanol free gas and high quality oil will probably last longer than your Dad's saw has. Other brands will be a little less and probably just as good for what you are using. I just picked a few models from the big 2. Echo, Dolmar/Makita, Jonsered to name a few. Shop for a good dealer and then see what they have rather than shopping for a brand. Then decide what size you need. Then decide whether you want a "homeowner", "farm/ranch", or "professional" grade saw.
 
I like tinkering with saws so I never minded getting a pile of junk for cheap and rebuilding it. If your not super mechanical minded, I'd advise a new saw. There are several great models out from top manufacturers in the 50-60cc class. I'd assume you should need much more then that at your current usage, amd to be honest I run my 60cc saws much more then anything else. I'm very partial to a husqvarna 562xp, mine has been a great saw for a long time. I would reccomend a stihl ms 362 as a close comparison to the husqy. You also couldnt go wrong with a 550xp mark 2 as well. I dont have any great echo or dolly dealers around me to compare to. If your looking for a cheaper option, you cant go wrong with a husqy 460 rancher or a farm boss stihl. Not pro grade saws, but (in my experience) not junk for the medium use firewooder. I have a cousin that swears by his 460 husqy. Cheers on your new endeavor.
 
I have been cutting wood for about 30 years I got the wood burning stove from my moms 2 years ago and replaced it with gas heat. I cut whatever I can find I use some for firewood and milk what I can
 
101 level stuff that’ll help:

Dunno Husky well, so I might get corrected: The last two numbers in a Husky part number are the saw’s engine size. 372XP is a 72cc motor.

First number goes up as they introduce new generations: 372 replaced by 572. Etc.

Their pro saws tend to be either tagged PRO on the old ones, or XP on the new ones.

Stihl I’m *much* more familiar with.

New Stihl saws are MS (Motor Saw, in German, also starts with MS) and then three numbers. Their older saws had the same number convention, but they move the zero.

The 046 became the MS460. Subsequent generations of that saw have been the MS461, MS 462. Etc.

Stihl uses the first number to denote the rough displacement of the saw.

An 044 or MS440 is a 70ish CC saw.

An 066 or MS660 is much larger, an 026 or MS250 is much smaller.

I just scored a beat up 044 likely made in the early 90s for $305on eBay, and the current generation runs $900ish brand new. It has a broken handle and needs new plastics so the beat up look scared off most buyers, but it runs strong with good compression. A porting and opened up muffler, and it’ll pull a 25” bar all day long in hardwood.

Personally I’d look for a Pro saw from Husky or Stihl so you won’t be wearing it out with your annual workload. I bought an MS250 for $349 brand mew when I lived in the suburbs, bought 5 acres of hardwood forest, and had it back at the dealer with a bad coil in 2 weeks. If I’d bought an older 026 or MS260, I’d have the same output and bar size as the 250, but in a pro flavor rather than a homeowner one.

I’m a mechanic on heavy equipment and did ten years in Japanese car dealerships before that. Picking up this 044 has me excited for a new wrenching project that will serve me well for decades, AND save me 50% of the price of a newer MS440/441.

I suggest looking at an 026 or MS260 or the equivalent Husky, which will do well for bucking any tree 24” and smaller into firewood and won’t balk at running hard for a six hour day.

In time you’ll want to pick up a second larger saw in the 60-90cc range for big wood... and you’ll have the best of both worlds. A light saw for limbing and brushing out undergrowth, and a beefy one for bucking heavy hardwood rounds or falling large dead trees.
 
I will be honest. To. Get back on track I have cut a lot of hardwood for the stove with a farm boss 271 and good chain. And just got a 194t and it’s a good limber and fun to use
 
First, Thank you so much for the replies. Lots to consider. I like tinkering and have a general affinity for older equipment. ( my riding mowers run 35 to 55 years old) I found this a half hour away. A Shidaiwa 500.
https://newlondon.craigslist.org/grd/d/waterford-shidaiwa-chainsaw/7197169131.htmlI also have a dealer the next town over who carries Stihl, Husqvarna, and Echo.
https://www.giantoakpower.com/Maybe a Stihl MS271 or 291. I'll have to sleep on it. Thanx again.
P.S. MFV, I didn't mind your posts at all. Nice slab-o-wood.
 
First, Thank you so much for the replies. Lots to consider. I like tinkering and have a general affinity for older equipment. ( my riding mowers run 35 to 55 years old) I found this a half hour away. A Shidaiwa 500.
https://newlondon.craigslist.org/grd/d/waterford-shidaiwa-chainsaw/7197169131.htmlI also have a dealer the next town over who carries Stihl, Husqvarna, and Echo.
https://www.giantoakpower.com/Maybe a Stihl MS271 or 291. I'll have to sleep on it. Thanx again.
P.S. MFV, I didn't mind your posts at all. Nice slab-o-wood.
 
Hey thanks I’ve cut a lot of wood with that right now I am fighting a problematic ms880 I like it runs but curse when i have to fix it maybe operator I have to figure it out like you are doing I am not used to stills breaking down on me
 
A 271 / 291 ‘farm boss’ level of saw is a good choice.

Watch this, and decide if you want to stick with a homeowner / farm saw or go with a Pro:


Personally as a tinkerer, I’d rather hunt down a 260, 360 or 440 series saw with a shot carb or no compression and put thewrenching work in to wind up with a Pro saw for less than a brand new Farm Boss.

Most people don’t feel that way, and that’s a result of different priorities, needs, and skillset. A brand new saw with a warranty is pretty appealing. Decide which way you want to go. ;)
 

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