New Stihl Oiler

[WoodTick007]

I have three 044's and find that the two newer units do not oil like the older saw. Is there a way to increase the output of the oilers without replacing the entire pump?

 

[JimL]

is your chains dry or are you just looking at the oil tank? ive got a brand new 66 that ive used a few times. it don't use as much oil as the older 66 does, chains getting plenty of oil.

 

[Jacob J.]

Brian-

the design of the oilers has not changed one bit on 026, 036, 044, 046, 064, or 066 saws since those models were introduced. Even the newer 260-660 models have the same exact oil pumps, pump pistons, drive gears, and pick-up hoses and bodies. The 088 has a newer design than the 084 that produces even more oil and is more adjustable.

I myself have never had a problem with the oiler output on a Stihl saw in the 16 years I've been in the woods. However, my bar is always in good repair and my chain is always razor sharp. Husky oilers are more adjustable and can produce more oil if needed, and that's a plus.

 

[JimL]

Originally posted by RockyJSquirrel
There are one or two diehard Stihl guys here who are somewhat irritating in the fact that they completely deny any remote possibility that any EPA-mandated change could be anything but perfect and 100% desirable. Fixed jet carbs work perfectly, reduced-output oilers work perfectly and all is well with the world. It must be operator error.

They changed the oilers long before the epa said anything. in fact the chain changed way before the oiler. now go back to playin with your huskys.

 

[Crofter]

There is a huge difference in the amount of heat produced by a dull chain. If you have to force it into the cut with the bar is a lot different from it pulling out into the wood by itself. It is a fact of life though that a lot of operations like cutting mud skidded wood, seasoned hardwood, stumping etc that you have to fight on though you know the saw is dulled. Then it would be nice to have more oil. I think that even short periods of skimpy oil supply can scar your bar and chain components that sets the scene for premature trashing. Whether deserved or not Stihl is getting some bad publicity over this. Why not build in a little extra oiling potential. It is not a cost factor. I think there has to be a logical reason behind everything, but this one excapes me!

Frank

 

[046]

On stihls, how is the amount of oil delivered regulated? by orfice size or by pump size?

Jacob J says: "Even the newer 260-660 models have the same exact oil pumps, pump pistons, drive gears, and pick-up hoses and bodies."

Assuming the above info is correct. Oil regulation would have to be controled by orfice size.... or something to go from 16" to 32"+ bars.

If that logic is correct? Has anyone tried enlarging the orfice that controls the amount of oil delivered. And/or run a wire thru to make sure the lines are clear.

Ok... I need the stihl techs to correct my dumb logic.

 

[Jacob J.]

There are tricks for increasing the amount of oil produced by a Stihl oil pump. If you search through past threads I think you can find all of them.

 

[046]

Jacob J, Thanks for the search tip. I found more than enough info to cover this topic.

Sorry about asking questions that been covered a jillion times.

It appears on an 046, you can drill out the oil intake port and file down the oiler adj screw for more output.

there is also a HD oiler available and an external oiler option.

Sure seems this issue is covered with a little extra effort. I wonder why stihl doesn't just make the saw with ability to output more, but send it out adjusted to meet epa.

 

[Lawn Masters]

Originally posted by RockyJSquirrel
First, I think the folks at Stihl believe that most saw users are not qualified to make adjustments on their saws (and rightfully so, a good percentage of saw users should not own them). Second, Stihl makes more money selling their overpriced bars and chains than they make selling saws.

Reduce oil output by 10%, you can make EPA happy and increase parts sales all at the same time!

RockyJ you hit the nail right on the head on this one. IF oil output is reduced by 10% or so, you can have the epa PITAs off your back and you can increase the revenue from sales of new parts for the saw to replace the old ones that got junked by the oiler not putting out enough oil to keep the bar/chain lubricated adaquately. I guess they just dont want to add an auxillary oiler pump button to their saws for whatever reason they have, I like that feature, I have an extra oil button on my little powermac 310 and had one on the beastly Promac 610 that I had for a while too, I like the feature, if you need more oil, just push the auxillary oiler pump button and put as much as you need on the bar at one time, Its not a really pricy thing to add, I figure only about $10-20 in parts per saw, but thats hardly even noticeable when the saw already costs upwards of $400 to start with. I wonder if its possible to add an oiler override button to a newer stihl, can that be done? I figure it can be, but I am not a perfect person nor is a single other human on this planet. No offense intended.

 

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