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[ddhlakebound]

The rope can't run across the gate on a Bachman, if it did it wouldn't unlock the collar, let alone open the gate, and allow all of the raps to come out.

I place the mouth of the gate facing down, if the gate did by some stretch of the imagination come open then only the first rap would come out leaving me 3 more since I always use 4 raps on the top Bachman.

Look, it's pretty simple....

We're not concerned with the biner that you use incorporated into your rock climbing knot. It's the one on the tail end of your crazy rig, that attaches to your saddle. You do use a saddle, right? How is your Bachman attached to your saddle?

I'm betting it's with a single or double action biner. And that's just not safe.

Beyond that, it's terribly inefficient, because you've got no quick way to the ground. Cut yourself, encounter bees, or a whole list of other problems which could necessitate getting to the ground quickly, and you're screwed, just like your biner.

I've got single action (spring gate) biners too, and they are never used in life support. I've got screw locking biners too, and again, they're never used in life support.

Learn and use the right gear for the job, otherwise you're just another joker waiting on a quick trip to the hard pan.

 

[lone wolf]

I have a re-occurring nightmare about this, and the best part of the dream is that no one in the county sells triple lock biners. I wake up in shock............and mad.

Whats all that Red about man?

 

[Carburetorless]

Look, it's pretty simple....

We're not concerned with the biner that you use incorporated into your rock climbing knot. It's the one on the tail end of your crazy rig, that attaches to your saddle. You do use a saddle, right? How is your Bachman attached to your saddle?

I'm betting it's with a single or double action biner. And that's just not safe.

I have another biner(the same type) with the prusik cord looped around it twice, and the biner clipped into the rappel ring.

I could set it up several ways, since I use a full body harness.

Beyond that, it's terribly inefficient, because you've got no quick way to the ground. Cut yourself, encounter bees, or a whole list of other problems which could necessitate getting to the ground quickly, and you're screwed, just like your biner.

Bees lol, that's why I always a bee suit when I climb. :msp_sneaky: Really man, if you encounter bees while on a rope, they'll still get ya even if you're already in full rappel. Those little ####ers are fast and agile.

I've got single action (spring gate) biners too, and they are never used in life support. I've got screw locking biners too, and again, they're never used in life support.

Learn and use the right gear for the job, otherwise you're just another joker waiting on a quick trip to the hard pan.

Next you'll be telling me to climb safer trees.

I mean really, you keep saying I should use safer gear, but you don't have any suggestions on which gear is safer.

Again; What gear do you recommend? I can't imagine being any safer than I already am without making my rig so redundant that it becomes impractical and too cumbersome to use.

 

[Tree Pig]

I didn't ask a question, so how did anyone give me an answer to one???



The rope can't run across the gate on a Bachman, if it did it wouldn't unlock the collar, let alone open the gate, and allow all of the raps to come out.

I place the mouth of the gate facing down, if the gate did by some stretch of the imagination come open then only the first rap would come out leaving me 3 more since I always use 4 raps on the top Bachman.




You really should pay closer attention to who you're replying to, cause I'm not the one asking the question in this post. Not only that, but just because someone asks a question doesn't mean they're a dumb ass by default. You moron!

Yes I did confuse you with the OP at first but the meat of the reply is in regards to your ignorant newbie reply to someone giving you life saving advice... but you go ahead and use that screw lock its obviously just a matter of time before you get hurt anyways.

 

[Tree Pig]

I have another biner(the same type) with the prusik cord looped around it twice, and the biner clipped into the rappel ring.

I could set it up several ways, since I use a full body harness.





Bees lol, that's why I always a bee suit when I climb. :msp_sneaky: Really man, if you encounter bees while on a rope, they'll still get ya even if you're already in full rappel. Those little ####ers are fast and agile.



Next you'll be telling me to climb safer trees.

I mean really, you keep saying I should use safer gear, but you don't have any suggestions on which gear is safer.

Again; What gear do you recommend? I can't imagine being any safer than I already am without making my rig so redundant that it becomes impractical and too cumbersome to use.

you have no business in a tree stop now...

 

[Carburetorless]

you have no business in a tree stop now...

Lol, you're funny man.

 

[ddhlakebound]

I have another biner(the same type) with the prusik cord looped around it twice, and the biner clipped into the rappel ring.

I could set it up several ways, since I use a full body harness.

Bees lol, that's why I always a bee suit when I climb. :msp_sneaky: Really man, if you encounter bees while on a rope, they'll still get ya even if you're already in full rappel. Those little ####ers are fast and agile.

Next you'll be telling me to climb safer trees.

I mean really, you keep saying I should use safer gear, but you don't have any suggestions on which gear is safer.

Again; What gear do you recommend? I can't imagine being any safer than I already am without making my rig so redundant that it becomes impractical and too cumbersome to use.

I already told you in my first post in this thread what kind of biner you should be using for life support (triple action). Beyond that, do your own research on what you like which meets the standards for this industry.

And you completely failed to address what happens to you if you need to get to the ground quickly. Instead, you make your bee suit joke as if it were relevant. Getting stung a few times, no big deal. Hanging there, unable to descend quickly, and getting stung over and over and over and over, well that's a big deal. Sometimes a killer even. If you cut yourself, could you do a change over one handed before you bleed out?

Yeah, yeah, I already know your next response.....You've never cut yourself aloft, and never will. Well keep hoping, cause it's happened to people who are better climbers and cutters than you.

Your rig already sounds very cumbersome and impractical, unless you're always upright and on the trunk of the tree. And if you're always upright and on the trunk, well, that doesn't sound much like good tree work to me.

 

[tree md]

Once upon a time screw locking biners were popular with the rock climbing and caving crowd. I have read somewhere, I think in the book "On Rope" it states that if you use a wrench to secure your screw lock then it is considered one of the three part (maybe two part back in those days) actions that is requisite for life support. But really, who wants to go through all that mess. Do you want to carry a wrench with you to make sure you are in compliance with standards? Really, that is a great book (a classic) as well as a lot of the older texts but it's 80's tech. There are better solutions these days.

As far as ascending I use a CMI foot ascender and a hand ascender made by Black Daimond. I virtually always ascend Ddrt as I have found I don't like to take the time to switch over and go through all of that mess. It works best for my climbing style. I know of others who work off of SRT systems and it works great for them but I personally like to keep it simple. I have seen some who come up with such technical ascending systems that it becomes time consuming and unproductive. I am into making money, not playing with shiny bling to get up in the tree with.

 

[Carburetorless]

I already told you in my first post in this thread what kind of biner you should be using for life support (triple action). Beyond that, do your own research on what you like which meets the standards for this industry.

If by triple action you mean the type that you have to pull the barrel back, twist it, and then open the gate, I have that type. That type opens easier than my screw barreled types.

The screw barreled type is difficult to unlock if I tighten the barrel down too tight with my fingers.

The triple action type takes very little effort to open, which to me means it's less secure.

And you completely failed to address what happens to you if you need to get to the ground quickly.

I sit in my harness, slide the lower Bachmann up, clip my rope into my biner, disconnect the upper Bachmann, and rappel down. Takes about 3 or 4 seconds.

If you cut yourself, could you do a change over one handed before you bleed out?

If I cut myself I'm going to stop the bleeding before I worry about getting down.

Really man, do you bleed less on the ground?


[/QUOTE]Your rig already sounds very cumbersome and impractical, unless you're always upright and on the trunk of the tree.[/QUOTE]

With a little rigging I could work upside down and sideways if I want. Heck, I could top out an entire cluster of trees and never leave the canopy.

 

[Tree Pig]

If by triple action you mean the type that you have to pull the barrel back, twist it, and then open the gate, I have that type. That type opens easier than my screw barreled types.

The screw barreled type is difficult to unlock if I tighten the barrel down too tight with my fingers.

The triple action type takes very little effort to open, which to me means it's less secure.



I sit in my harness, slide the lower Bachmann up, clip my rope into my biner, disconnect the upper Bachmann, and rappel down. Takes about 3 or 4 seconds.





If I cut myself I'm going to stop the bleeding before I worry about getting down.

Really man, do you bleed less on the ground?

Your rig already sounds very cumbersome and impractical, unless you're always upright and on the trunk of the tree.

With a little rigging I could work upside down and sideways if I want. Heck, I could top out an entire cluster of trees and never leave the canopy.

You know the old saying "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink" there is a reason they used a horse and not a jack ass. Thats because you cant lead a jack ass anywhere he dont want to go and they dont listen to a word you say.

This guy is a jack ass

 

[Carburetorless]

You know the old saying "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink" there is a reason they used a horse and not a jack ass. Thats because you cant lead a jack ass anywhere he dont want to go and they dont listen to a word you say.

This guy is a jack ass

Well then we'll just ignore you then.:msp_sneaky:

 

[rtsims]

Carburetorless

These guys are truly just trying to help. You need to do more research and expand your knowledge in the world of arboriculture. If you honestly think that because your triple lock biner is easier to open using your hands than your screw lock is, and that makes it less safe, you have zero business steping into a saddle. Im not trying to put you down, but you need to listen to these guys when they say something, especially when it concerns safety.

 

[Carburetorless]

These guys are truly just trying to help. You need to do more research and expand your knowledge in the world of arboriculture. If you honestly think that because your triple lock biner is easier to open using your hands than your screw lock is, and that makes it less safe, you have zero business steping into a saddle. Im not trying to put you down, but you need to listen to these guys when they say something, especially when it concerns safety.

I asked the guy each time to expand my knowledge by explaining himself, but he seems more intent on flaming, so there's not much I'm going to learn by listening to him.

I've used the "triple locking" biners, and I've had them come open while on rope. The screw locking collared ones I've never had that happen with, so I'm sticking to what works be for me.

 

[Tree Pig]

I asked the guy each time to expand my knowledge by explaining himself, but he seems more intent on flaming, so there's not much I'm going to learn by listening to him.

I've used the "triple locking" biners, and I've had them come open while on rope. The screw locking collared ones I've never had that happen with, so I'm sticking to what works be for me.

dont listen to us or ANSI you got it all figured out. Them experts dont have a friggen clue. Good luck... invest in a good helmet.

 

[Huskytree]

No helmet

Neah don't wear a helmet you need all the sense you can get knocked into you.

 

[tree md]

Used to be biners weren't ANZI approved for tree work period. Change isn't easy and comes slow to most. I certainly do not like change and having to learn something unfamiliar. I can't stand it when they change facebook or my web browser so you can imagine how I feel about my climbing gear.

When I started out there were no locking snaps that I was aware of. I'm sure there probably were but they surely didn't sell them in my local arborist supply. Rope snaps and lanyards had just that "rope snaps". When they changed the safety standard to require locking snaps I absolutely hated them. But like anything else, you change for the better and get used to it. Change is not always comfortable but is always good when personal safety is concerned.

 

[kevin bingham]

Thanks for reintroducing me to the bachmans. I have normally used a kleimheist on a DRT for my left foot ascender (upper ascender in frog walking. The bachman knot slides better. I dont see a problem with a screw gate for that purpose. You don't tie into the biner itself. The bachman's hitch is a great one to know. It gives you a little handle. It is a great cheap ascender.

 

[Carburetorless]

dont listen to us or ANSI you got it all figured out. Them experts dont have a friggen clue. Good luck... invest in a good helmet.

What's your deal man?!

I don't have it all figured out and I never claimed to have it all figured out. Stop being an #######.

 

[Carburetorless]

Thanks for reintroducing me to the bachmans. I have normally used a kleimheist on a DRT for my left foot ascender (upper ascender in frog walking. The bachman knot slides better. I dont see a problem with a screw gate for that purpose. You don't tie into the biner itself. The bachman's hitch is a great one to know. It gives you a little handle. It is a great cheap ascender.

I like it, it doesn't cut up your rope like mechanical ascenders.

 

[Carburetorless]

Neah don't wear a helmet you need all the sense you can get knocked into you.

Give it a rest Bud