Nik's Poulan Thread

[redunshee]

Bob, dangit, now you made me dig up my Poulan documents

Brads saw is a Micro 25CVA introduced in 1979 and discontinued in 1982. They only made Micro 25CVA's as 2.0CI saws.

The Micro 2300 series did not come out untill 1982 so that is the first time they made a Micro with a 2.3CI engine.

Now I have never seen a Micro designated Micro S25CVA so that is a new one to me and I cannot find one listed with a S in it anywhere in all these Poulan doucuments.

As we are learning more and more with these old Poulans, nothing is set in stone so I would not bet the farm on the displacement on Brads saw, it could have been a limited run of them, who knows.

I'm leaning on it being a 2.0CI saw though.

Another thing I hear around here now and again is the Micros are newer then the 25 series, and thats not so, they made micros as early as 1976 so they were made at the same time as the regular 25 series saws so it is not newer then the S25 series saws.

The Poulan became Baird Poulan before it became Poulan Weedeater as well.

Now lets address,
"Now, Mark told me my saw was more like the Poulan 2300AV or CVA."

I said your saw was a 2300AV, I never said anything about the CVA model. There different.

Now Bob I aint picking on you or your post, it was just the easiest to point things out in.

To everyone else, I still cannot believe there is so much confusion between the Micro series and the 25 series. Except for the fact that there both lime green, there completly different saws.

They don't even look the same. Like Mike said, nothing interchanges except maybe the carb, the sparkplug and the bar and chain.

I knew I'd stir you up! Actually I made the same mistake as Brad. Assumed my Craftsman was a S25DA clone. I guess the only thing I did get right is the 2.3ci.
Thanks for your info.
Bob

 

[redunshee]

I'm certainly no "expert" on the many 25 series saws. As you can see from this pic, of the ones that I own. They are all S25DA's, 38cc, with the one on far right having the counter vibe handle. Same saws, but they all look different, from being from different years.

I think Mark will confirm that you might find all kinds of configurations in the 25 Micro & full size saws, simply cause they made them for so many years. Through in all the Micros, and 1800, 2000, 2300 types yet, and there is no end to the confusion. Not to mention the many Craftsman, Dayton, Etc, etc.

Gregg,

I;m soooooo confused.........:deadhorse::deadhorse:

 

[67L36Driver]

Heh, heh, the bearings, seals and crankcase gasket is available from Sears. Totals up to $29.5 USD. Tempting. Half the cost of a tank of gas.

The little Craftsman 358.355162 (1.8 cu in ?) ran crappy this morning. Too much play in the crank. Then, the oil tank began to leak a LOT.

Anybody need him or his brother Craftsman 2.3 cu in 358.355061 for parts, speak up.

 

[stubnail67]

im game!!

The little Craftsman 358.355162 (1.8 cu in ?) ran crappy this morning. Too much play in the crank. Then, the oil tank began to leak a LOT.

Anybody need him or his brother Craftsman 2.3 cu in 358.355061 for parts, speak up.

i take emm on if ya dont want emm!!!

 

[dh1984]

i'll take them if no one else will they will be a good project for me though out winter untill spring gets here and then it's back to cutting wood again for next winter lol

 

[thomas72]

The bore measures 2.040 or 51.88mm odd for sure

I think you misunderstood the XX for XXV!

I was talking model 20 Poulans.

I have some parts for those too.

 

[Modifiedmark]

Thanks, I have some but don't know what I might need till I tear into them.

I got the little Poulan 76 that I never got to and then I for sure want to get the Ridgid XX and a Wright 111 going.

It never ends does it?

 

[dave76]

Mark didn't Poulan make a Deluxe Micro 25 in 1977 for one year only in the 38cc displacement. I have what appears to be one of the first Micro 2300CVAs as it has a WT3 carb and an all metal handle, the new versions came with a WT20 carb and a plastic handle.

Anyway in my findings these saws changed continually, I'd say around 1982 or so they started using top rod bearings in the 2.0 CI saws were in older saws they didn't, the piston pin just pressed into the piston and rod. Also the newer style piston uses a hooked ring were the older design doesn't. The older ring is NLA, however a hooked ring can be used in the older type if you file fit it. Physically a toprod bearing piston can be used on the older style rod but you need to use the thrust washers for the rod bearing piston. Both pistons are NLA, however I've seen the newer piston available made by Episan on ebay. All 2.0 cylinders are NLA, however cylinders and pistons are still available for the 2.3 CI saw. Any 2.0 can be made into a 2.3 The last Micro 25 I built, I used all S23 Arbor Pro stuff, two ring piston and chrome cylinder and top rod bearing rod, it is very powerful for 38cc saw.

I think 1976 was the only year for points?? I have two of these saws.

I think 76-78 used the WA19 carbs

Still learing about these saws.

 

[dave76]

2900

Question on the new style saws, the heat insulater in the exhaust port, is it necessary to keep this in there after doing a muffler mod????

 

[thomas72]

Thanks, I have some but don't know what I might need till I tear into them.

I got the little Poulan 76 that I never got to and then I for sure want to get the Ridgid XX and a Wright 111 going.

It never ends does it?

I believe I have a complete saw somewhere. If you want it you can have it.

 

[Modifiedmark]

Mark didn't Poulan make a Deluxe Micro 25 in 1977 for one year only in the 38cc displacement. I have what appears to be one of the first Micro 2300CVAs as it has a WT3 carb and an all metal handle, the new versions came with a WT20 carb and a plastic handle.

Anyway in my findings these saws changed continually, I'd say around 1982 or so they started using top rod bearings in the 2.0 CI saws were in older saws they didn't, the piston pin just pressed into the piston and rod. Also the newer style piston uses a hooked ring were the older design doesn't. The older ring is NLA, however a hooked ring can be used in the older type if you file fit it. Physically a toprod bearing piston can be used on the older style rod but you need to use the thrust washers for the rod bearing piston. Both pistons are NLA, however I've seen the newer piston available made by Episan on ebay. All 2.0 cylinders are NLA, however cylinders and pistons are still available for the 2.3 CI saw. Any 2.0 can be made into a 2.3 The last Micro 25 I built, I used all S23 Arbor Pro stuff, two ring piston and chrome cylinder and top rod bearing rod, it is very powerful for 38cc saw.

I think 1976 was the only year for points?? I have two of these saws.

I think 76-78 used the WA19 carbs

Still learing about these saws.

Dave, your up on me on these Micros, never messed with them that much. Just fixed the things to run and oil.

Dont remember of ever taking one all the way down.

I was just relaying the production info from some Poulan docurmets that I have here.

My documents do not list a 2.3 micro till 1982.

 

[Modifiedmark]

I believe I have a complete saw somewhere. If you want it you can have it.

Thanks, I'm pretty sure the Wright needs a P/C but I have a couple parts saws that may have a good set. I'll check them when I get to them.

 

[8433jeff]

Question on the new style saws, the heat insulater in the exhaust port, is it necessary to keep this in there after doing a muffler mod????

If you mean the aluminum plate, yes, as it helps with airflow over the cylinder. If you mean the insert in the port, I don't have any yet without it, so can't help you there. Shouldn't matter any, though.

 

[HeRoze]

2300 cva vent pin

okay... resurecting the hand-me-down 2300CVA. got the thing back in good running order, got the oiler working again. silly vent pin isn't there. anyone have a suggestion as to a replacement? I could stick a piece of wire or paper clip or cotter pin in the vent hole, but not sure if anyone has a better suggestion, or a correct gauge wire to use, etc. thx.

 

[joe25DA]

S25 & Micro

Thought Id stir this talk up a bit too! Like Mike and Mark said, The Super saws and Micro saws have almost nothing in common. I have had some Micro's and they are a good saw. I even have a NIB one. I had thought all were SS ignition until i found a Craftsman rebadge with points. Ive seen them in 1.8, 2.0 and 2.3 ci. Some with a squared off case, some with the boat hull case, They also came with 2 different anti-vibe types, the earlier type looks like Brads. These saws also use single counterweight crank shafts...
The S25DA/CVA. In my opinion the better saw. Even though you could get a Micro with a 38cc motor it does not feel as powerful as the S25. This may be do to the fact that the S25s use a dual counterweight crank creating more rotating mass or torque. The S25s are all magnesium and have a more solid "feel" (in my opinion). They also have bridged exhaust ports, 2 ring pistons manual over-ride oilers. All of which make this a more rugged, pro saw. I also THINK the S25's use a larger bore carb. Early models had a more rounded top handle, 2.1ci engine, points ign, sliding ign switch and manual only oiler.

whew.

 

[dave76]

Thought Id stir this talk up a bit too! Like Mike and Mark said, The Super saws and Micro saws have almost nothing in common. I have had some Micro's and they are a good saw. I even have a NIB one. I had thought all were SS ignition until i found a Craftsman rebadge with points. Ive seen them in 1.8, 2.0 and 2.3 ci. Some with a squared off case, some with the boat hull case, They also came with 2 different anti-vibe types, the earlier type looks like Brads. These saws also use single counterweight crank shafts...
The S25DA/CVA. In my opinion the better saw. Even though you could get a Micro with a 38cc motor it does not feel as powerful as the S25. This may be do to the fact that the S25s use a dual counterweight crank creating more rotating mass or torque. The S25s are all magnesium and have a more solid "feel" (in my opinion). They also have bridged exhaust ports, 2 ring pistons manual over-ride oilers. All of which make this a more rugged, pro saw. I also THINK the S25's use a larger bore carb. Early models had a more rounded top handle, 2.1ci engine, points ign, sliding ign switch and manual only oiler.

whew.

Yeah Joe without a doubt the S25DA is a more complete rugged saw, the micro was made to be a cheaply manufactured saw that can be made by the millions. The Micro series started in 1976 along side the S25DA and both saws lasted in production until about the mid 90s.

 

[redunshee]

Thought Id stir this talk up a bit too! Like Mike and Mark said, The Super saws and Micro saws have almost nothing in common. I have had some Micro's and they are a good saw. I even have a NIB one. I had thought all were SS ignition until i found a Craftsman rebadge with points. Ive seen them in 1.8, 2.0 and 2.3 ci. Some with a squared off case, some with the boat hull case, They also came with 2 different anti-vibe types, the earlier type looks like Brads. These saws also use single counterweight crank shafts...
The S25DA/CVA. In my opinion the better saw. Even though you could get a Micro with a 38cc motor it does not feel as powerful as the S25. This may be do to the fact that the S25s use a dual counterweight crank creating more rotating mass or torque. The S25s are all magnesium and have a more solid "feel" (in my opinion). They also have bridged exhaust ports, 2 ring pistons manual over-ride oilers. All of which make this a more rugged, pro saw. I also THINK the S25's use a larger bore carb. Early models had a more rounded top handle, 2.1ci engine, points ign, sliding ign switch and manual only oiler.

whew.

Amen Brother! Wish I had spoken to you, Mark and MIke before I picked up the Craftsman which I thought was a S25Da clone. Its 2.3 but not as rugged as the S25DA. Sure is pretty and in excellent shape though. Probably give it to my Buddy.

 

[stubnail67]

ok im confused?

Amen Brother! Wish I had spoken to you, Mark and MIke before I picked up the Craftsman which I thought was a S25Da clone. Its 2.3 but not as rugged as the S25DA. Sure is pretty and in excellent shape though. Probably give it to my Buddy.

this the 2nd time ive heard the craftsman model is not as rugged i think mark said it way back in the thread not sure! they seem like the same saw what makes it not as rugged??? are the cases not as thick? i have one of each maybe i should weigh them and see... if you could elaborate on to why the are not as rugged i would like to know for sure ! thanks paul!

 

[rms61moparman]

this the 2nd time ive heard the craftsman model is not as rugged i think mark said it way back in the thread not sure! they seem like the same saw what makes it not as rugged??? are the cases not as thick? i have one of each maybe i should weigh them and see... if you could elaborate on to why the are not as rugged i would like to know for sure ! thanks paul!

Let me try this ONE more time.
Poulan made an S25.
During it's production run, there were MANY different variations.
They also made it's little brother, the micro series.
During it's production run, there were also many variations.
Other than the carb, spark plug, bar and chain (on some models because they both came in 1/4 pitch as well as 3/8ths low pro, I thought I'd throw that in, because this wasn't confusing enough) and possibly the clutch, they are two entirely different saws and no parts are interchangeable!!!

This is an S25CVA

<a href="http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/rms61moparman/?action=view&amp;current=S25CVA014.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/rms61moparman/S25CVA014.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Note the position of the ignition switch, the width of the all metal case, the shape of the airbox cover and altho hidden by the handle, the single large screw that secures it.

These are of a Craftsman Micro


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<a href="http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/rms61moparman/?action=view&amp;current=MicroCraftsman004.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/rms61moparman/MicroCraftsman004.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>


<a href="http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/rms61moparman/?action=view&amp;current=MicroCraftsman003.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/rms61moparman/MicroCraftsman003.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>




Notice the much narrower all plastic case, the configuration and location of the ignition switch (actually it is almost completely hidden by the handle and you wouldn't know it's there unless you knew what to look for) and the two screws visible on each side of the differently shaped, much smaller airbox.


Now don't get me wrong guys, both of these are great saws and have cut more wood and trimmed more trees than a freight train could DREAM of pulling but they are completely different.

Hope this helps!!!!!


Miuke

 

[joe25DA]

Id say that about covers it! Id also say that both these saws are much better than just about all their competition at that era (and even now dare I say!)