no good mate ,

[teressa green]

took a lad on at face value after he was recommended ,problem is he has been working with my partner for 6 weeks totally seperated from me and another lad ,worked with this plonker for two days and he is a complete waste of space ,no ability or enthusiasum ,got him on a good wage ,so here is the dilema how do i tell him in the nicest possible way that im cutting it ,partner has had a bollocking for keeping schtum ,going to cut it substantially,the kid is 19 yrs old one yr at college and one yr hands on ,the colleges must be passing complete muppets on climbing tickets ,he was embarassing to watch ,

 

[begleytree]

I used to tell them to go home, and talk it over with their wife, because they're just not working out here, and explain why. Some never came back, some came back a changed person.
-Ralph

 

[Jumper]

You hired someone and did not verify their performance for six weeks??? Nor did your partner voice any concerns??? I would be more worried about the latter.....I read your Brit speak that you have dumped on him for accepting the status quo, and if I read incorrectly, he deserves a good one.
Sit the guy down and read him the riot act...he may suddenly become enthuiastic, or decide to move on. I think you are going to have a large problem decreasing his wage after six weeks of no feedback and accepting of low standards.

 

[crane tree]

evaluation

i agree with Begley---the heavy barking usually doesnt work---first, they either are or are not-to get a good one, you have to find them,let them come out, coach them on what you expect, and let thier natural inclination and attitude show up or not. evaluate without hesitation-believe what you see. if not, move on---usually you know the first day or so, and of course thereafter keep a watchful eye out for any shift in behavior that tells you that was an initial push to get a job. one more chance with some thoughtful (theirs) wisdom, let them demonstrate a reformed work aptitude,a permenate modified attitude and behavior--if not, you have to move on---
my .02cents
good luck

 

[teressa green]

my partner covered up his inadequacies and has been braced up ,going to have to give the lad the elbow ,annoying thing is he has all nptc certs and no skills,how did he pass,? partner and i work on seperate teams with very little communication things have worked well up til now ,will give the lad the happy news in the morning

 

[iain]

i ve been though the same recently, tried and failed with 3 ,17- 19 yr olds
tried the encouragment, tried the arse kicking, tried the lead by the hand, tried to be patient, tried the fucj this heres your cards the later worked.
i have just taken on a fella in his 30's ex forces whos never picked up a saw in his life, and he can't get enough 1 week in he wants to go up a tree tomorrow

i would'nt be to harsh on your partner, as the purest diamond is often covered from view by many layers of s**t and he may have hoped for the best
( one of my best lads is only just 19)

although some people just can't be arsed to work for a job, they expect it on a plate

back to your point re colleges
1 hypothetically speaking a college who's students who have paid for and taken a training course at the college the same students success rate would be scutinized and if less then acceptable , may cost in lost future course bookings
2 these self same college's may employ a person who is qualified to assess students in the exams studied at the college

3 then these college pass out nuggets /muppets etc

1+2+3 = con

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

I often look back and think what a total plonker i was at 19..you cant put an old head on young shoulders mate!!

 

[Thor's Hammer]

I was a complete pillock at 19 (possibly still am?), but at least I was a quick usefull climber. At the time my father had about 5 lads under 20 climbing for him, we were a right bunch of young twats, but we knew when to graft. We also used to try and outdo each other climbing wise, made for a fast learning curve.
Some of the best guys I've had have came straight from college.
Mind you I've had some right useless young ******s too....

 

[teressa green]

gone ,read him the riot act paid him up ,good bye ,just explained that he wasnt what i was looking for sorry and all but bye,bloody askham bryan college putting plonkers in to the work place .to much time behind a desk ,writing the job and talking the job and not enought time up trees,wonder what percentage of lecturers have earned a good living in the industry?

 

[jamie]

those that can

always been told those that can do, those that cant, teach.

went to college got a degree then onto get everything else.....at least if i fail at this game i can turn round and talk the walk.....

jamie

 

[teressa green]

it really winds me up ,does the building game have sub standard workers ,ie plumbers /plasterers ? do they pass the courses as easily as the muppets out there in the tree caper,i doubt it ,honestly the lad couldnt even tie a prussik but according to some pillock of a lecturer/tutor the lads ready for the job ,what bollox,

 

[iain]

as i say an independant examiner hasn't got a department head to answer too
however blah blah blah

 

[fwf]

I really don't think you can blame the education system, lecturers, or certification boards. It all comes down to the individual. Most of us aren't comfortable unless we know what we are doing (or admit we don't) and do a good job, even go the extra mile. But there are plenty of bad apples in all trades and all professions. Anyone can pass a test and then pretend they know what they are doing instead of learning their craft.

And unfortunately, it sounds like your partner is proof of how it is all too easy to get by with substandard performance.

 

[iain]

I really don't think you can blame the education system, lecturers, or certification boards. It all comes down to the individual. Most of us aren't comfortable unless we know what we are doing (or admit we don't) and do a good job, even go the extra mile. But there are plenty of bad apples in all trades and all professions. Anyone can pass a test and then pretend they know what they are doing instead of learning their craft.

And unfortunately, it sounds like your partner is proof of how it is all too easy to get by with substandard performance.

nah sorry dude

the brit system is not working and not only lets down the employer but ultimatley lets the prospective emploee down the MOST
the college's need to get a grip and stop using inside examiners
would it be acceptable for a driving school to employ thier own examiner
i don't think so

 

[teressa green]

good point ,

 

[fwf]

nah sorry dude

the brit system is not working and not only lets down the employer but ultimatley lets the prospective emploee down the MOST
the college's need to get a grip and stop using inside examiners
would it be acceptable for a driving school to employ thier own examiner
i don't think so

So, I assume it is different than here in the U.S. Here the college degree is totally separate from any kind of certification. Are you saying that in the U.K. the colleges are also providing the certifications?

 

[iain]

the certificate is provided by a national examination body , however examiners are not restricted to whom they are employed by especially after they have been approved

 

[Jim1NZ]

,the colleges must be passing complete muppets on climbing tickets ,he was embarassing to watch ,

Shocking! You would hope they have better climbers at collage. This gets on my nerve, and drags everyone with this guys ticket down.

 

[Jumper]

Not shocking at all-education at all levels has been watered down so everyone passes, even if they are incompetant. Ever hear of a doctor washing out of Medical School? It just does not happen. This particular guy might have been brilliant in some aspects of the curiculam, but obviously was not made to be a climber, which likely was not discovered by his instructors until well into the program, if at all.

 

[iain]

Shocking! You would hope they have better climbers at collage. This gets on my nerve, and drags everyone with this guys ticket down.

++

shocking well, no , its economics ,
the colleges need to be sucessful to survive

however it is a tragedy waiting to happen,