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wrong when someone said their isn't any of them on here that's all i am saying
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Rvalue, sbhooper, mckeetree, you are in the bitter misinformed minority. Sbhooper worked for the feds so he can be forgiven for buying into the old arguments about immigration, it bought his government pension. The rest of you seem to have forgotten that you all are children of immigrants, unless you are from one of the indigenous tribes. You think the Irish weren't branded the same things that you are slinging at the Chicanos, Mckeetree? Filthy stinking Irish and all their babies suckling off the system. And Rvalue, how quaint for you to see a real live Mexican pilot? It's incredible those poor confused people can summon the strength to read, much less fly. I have no problem with conservatives, but that is not blanket justification for racism. Because, that is what you are, maybe you're comfortable with it maybe not. Just look in the mirror and say to yourself I will not accept any idea of life other than the image I see. Enjoy the twilight fellas, the sun has set on your world view.
Look out with all the synonyms before somebody thinks you are dumb and ignorant. I think people from Mexifornia should not be allowed to comment in threads concerning Mexicans, Gays, Democrats or State budgets.
Do you really think you can say things like this and not be judged? I do not begrudge you your opinion, at least contribute to the dialogue if you're going to start it. Your clarity is shackled by your narrow mind. Immigration is complex, go ahead ignore the context and boil it down to some palatable catch phrase. That does only you a disservice. Your ancestors immigrated for the same reasons that those guys in the Wright truck did. How are you different from those you rail against?
And gr8scott72, thanks for the negative rep and the note "Not wanting illegals in my country doesn't make me a racist". I have never said anything about illegal aliens, nor did I call you specifically a racist. You weren't even on my radar. What did I say that offended you? Are you threatened by immigration, by competition, by free enterprise? That's what this is about isn't it, competition for resources? The cause of most wars.
yell imigracion real loud, solve the problem quick.
Do you really think you can say things like this and not be judged? I do not begrudge you your opinion, at least contribute to the dialogue if you're going to start it. Your clarity is shackled by your narrow mind. Immigration is complex, go ahead ignore the context and boil it down to some palatable catch phrase. That does only you a disservice. Your ancestors immigrated for the same reasons that those guys in the Wright truck did. How are you different from those you rail against?
And gr8scott72, thanks for the negative rep and the note "Not wanting illegals in my country doesn't make me a racist". I have never said anything about illegal aliens, nor did I call you specifically a racist. You weren't even on my radar. What did I say that offended you? Are you threatened by immigration, by competition, by free enterprise? That's what this is about isn't it, competition for resources? The cause of most wars.
And gr8scott72, thanks for the negative rep and the note "Not wanting illegals in my country doesn't make me a racist". I have never said anything about illegal aliens, nor did I call you specifically a racist. You weren't even on my radar. What did I say that offended you? Are you threatened by immigration, by competition, by free enterprise? That's what this is about isn't it, competition for resources? The cause of most wars.
I have no problem with conservatives, but that is not blanket justification for racism.
You persons sympathizing with criminals are obstructing justice, those putting up sanctuaries are traitors, as well as, those that provide employment.
I worked for immigration for 27 years and it is a broken beauracracy. The field people would clean up the problem in a heartbeat, but the upper management are all political puppets and don't allow anybody to do their jobs.
I know most of them are hard working people. I do however care what language they speak. If you are going to live here speak the GD language. This is America. I will tell you one thing they can do, they can turn a neighborhood third world in three years flat. I don't think you need to be in charge of immigration reform. Well, for that matter several folks on here don't.
at the same time , the word "they" or "them" is pretty bad, i am guilty too, but using words like that all we are doing is making big sweeping generalizations about a whole race, which is pretty ignorant on ALL of our parts , all white people arnt the same, aand either are all mexicans
You are correct, Ropensaddle. I worked for immigration for 27 years and it is a broken beauracracy. The field people would clean up the problem in a heartbeat, but the upper management are all political puppets and don't allow anybody to do their jobs. That is why I bailed early. It was either that or go postal. When I startede throwing crap, my boss would not even come into my office!
RValue, thank you for your reasoned response to my somewhat antagonistic post. I maintain that the issue is complex, more complex than Rope's simple solution. I do not condone illegal immigration, for reasons other than most on this board. I have not suggested a sanctuary, because there is no such thing. Workers without papers are beholden to their employers and exploited because of their immigration status. Most self employed people on this board can empathize with that, that's why we work for ourselves.
Illegal immigrants are not the burden on American services that some would claim. Some economists assert that they are integral to our economy, they contribute in labor, sales, and taxes without any of the benefits of citizenship. If you dispute this, I encourage you to attempt to receive benefits without a US ID. Furthermore the argument that aliens are filling jails and burdening social services is disingenuous. Black males are incarcerated at a rate of 4,000 per 100,000, hispanic males at a rate of 1,300 per 100,000. Not surprising for a country with the largest prison population per captia in the world. Most, upwards of 50% for drug offenses. Some economists peg the contribution of illegal aliens to the economy of around $20 billion while detractors pin the burden at around $10 billion. It is impossible to know.
Perhaps we should move this to the Political forum. What does immigration reform mean to you? I don't have an answer. There is an important discussion here. We in the green industry see it more than most as do those in construction and agriculture because they are labor intensive industries. Let's not resort to name calling, myself included, and instead flesh out the issue.
You must not have researched the health cost of illegal alien care. You have somewhat a point on incarceration as most cops have been steered away from them saying it is immigration problem. One look a weirdafornia's illegal gangs should tell any sane American they are a threat to this great country. I know a legal Mexican who told me that we better do something fast because we are not getting Mexico's good citizens that it is mostly gang member flooding the boarder. The flesh the issue time was twenty years ago now is a time to act and enforce the laws they wrote then by lethal force if necessary. I so wish we had a real American president with balls who would do what is right for this nation whether winny liberals liked it or not.
Ethical response is to mount m 50's every 600 yards down the rio send the ones here back and shoot any swimmer they see it wont take long to end it permanently. They will stop and also fine the people using and harboring them into poverty when a job needs done do it the security of this nation is demanding of swift and immediate action.
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