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bandmiller

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as a newby here i must ask the obligatory oil question. jumper stated stihl oil is blended by mobil in the eastern us. what are the odds stihl black bottle synthetic is none outher than mobil mx2t in a pretty green dress. anyone know??
 
Hi bandmiller, have you used Stihl's black bottle synthetic oil? I ask because Mobil's MX2T does not have any dye in it, when mixed with gas, you can not tell it's a batch of pre-mix by looking at it. I don't know about the Stihl synthetic. Also, Mobil's MX2T has a unique smell to the exhaust coming out of your saw, unlike any of the other 2 cycle oils. I use MX2T and am happy with the results. Dave
 
I don't care if it's the best oil in the world, I'm not using a clear 2-cycle mix.

Rocky's a very concrete fellow, but a wonderful neighbor. Paul
 
i would agree i like that[color] little safe guard. i like mx2 real good..when i run accross it at auto zone.otherwize its just stihl or one o the other better mixes..
one thing ive noticed with mobile no color ,,i believe it was ,,was u never forget to shake umix a bit..,whether it needs it or not,, i dont know..
 
non colored oils

I used the Mobil 2 stroke oil and stopped becaused it as not colored. It ran better and smoked much less.... The reduction in exhaust smoke was so low at times of operation I would often question if it was mixed fuel in the saw. So, although it was great oil, the chance of burning up a piece of equipment was to risky for me.
 
I haven't tried Stihl synthetic yet, but I intend to. I have always used Stihl oil in the orange bottle, and had excellent luck with it. I don't believe it's a good idea to keep switching brands of engine oil. I have heard switching oils causes accellerated engine wear.
 
Stihl black bottle is not Mobil MX2T and isnt even made by mobil. I believe spectrum makes it and its a syn blend oil. FWIW it isnt even in the same league as MX2T and it cost more.
 
Brian, If you want to continue paying more money for a inferior product, go ahead. I do wish MX2T had some color to it, but honestly its not a problem for me and never has been. I have one can for mixed fuel and thats the only thing thats ever in it.
As for my "blowing up engines". The failure in question had nothing to do with oil. Someone with you vast knowledge should know that.
 
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I bought a couple of bottles of Poulan Synthetic last summer and have noticed an interesting (and slightly disconcerting) property. The stuff appears to be photoreactive. It was a light brown when I first bought a bottle and added a little color to the mix. as time passed the oil in the bottle got darker until now is a very dark, ugly brown bordering on black. When it is mixed it makes the gas look like tea. The MX2T seems like it has darkened a tad but it is in an opaque bottle in contrast to the clear one that the Poulan stuff came in. I prefer color in the mix and have to say that Stihl's oil makes the prettiest mix gas that I've tried. Echo's oil is ugly but has such a great rep that I'd use it all the time if I could get it locally. The cheapest oil availabe here that meets JAS and ILO specs is Homelite Exact Mix. I just can't get over the Homelite label though.:rolleyes:
 
Colouring agent

Does anyone know of a dye that could be added to premix?
Seems like the MXT2 people are missing some customers by not having it in or available. Lets see now maybe some of mommas food colouring would work. Rocky, whats your favourite colour? Seriously, it is a concern. I am red green deficient colourblind and some colours in the oil dont do it for me. Now the blue stuff.........
eh now your cookin; I can see that ok.

Frank
 
at the risk of sounding ignorant, what exactly it the difference between the stihl black bottle and the orange bottle? which is better? what about the clear crap? the lack of dye dont bother me i can dye it myself is it any better than the stihl stuff?
 
M X2T Oil.

If you go to the above listed link, at the bottom of the page you will find ordering information. You will end up at:< www.mscdirect.com > . There you can order the MX2T oils, but you had better had won the lottery. $4.65/pt plus shipping. It's a bit cheaper at avlube, I think, $4.08, with shipping, don't quote me, will have to check again for sure. I have sent Mobil, several emails asking why the local Advance Auto Parts stores, don't carry the MX2T oil. Have never gotten a reply. Just sent them another email suggesting adding a dye to their oil and again why Advance Auto Parts, in my area doesn't carry it here locally. I gave them my zip-code and suggested they send a representitive to our area, or contact their regional service rep. and have him check into it. That there would be a market for it here, with all the dirtbike, snowmachines, chainsaws, and garden equipement in the area. Will have to see what happens. Lewis.
 
since you live in new york, you might have heard of noco oil company. theyre a full service mobil dealer. they stop at the garage i work at. ill grill em as to gettin my hands on that oil. is it that much better than the black bottle stihl lube?
 
what exactly it the difference between the stihl black bottle and the orange bottle?
The orange bottle stihl is is Stihls run of the mill stuff while the black bottle is there semi synthetic blend,low smaoke oil. MX2T is much better than either and cost around $3.50 per pint when bought at Autozone. You can also buy from your local Mobil Jobber for less depending on the area you live in.
 
Reply to wedge on syn. oil.

Hi, wedge. I concure with bwalker, I use Mobil 1 syn. oil in everything I own. My car, truck, back up generator and all my 4 cycle lawn equipment, mowers. roto tiller and snowblower. I had an 89 Chevy V-6 that I ran nothing but Mobil 1 in. Bought it used with low mileage. Traded it in 98 fot a 97 GMC, 350, K-1500, X-cab. Had to replace a head gasket in the 89, a while before I traded it. You could just find a ridge at the top of the cylinder with your finger nail. Can't remenber what the mileage was, but 90,000 +. My 97 GMC has only 43,000+ on it. It had roughly 19,000 on it when I bought it. I've used Mobil 1 in it since then. I would lilke to get the MX2T amd use it in all my 2 stroke or 2 cycle equipment. I feel that it will lubricate better, burn cleaner and leave less deposites inside the combustion chamber and exhaust ports and mufflers. I have restored a couple old saws, that call for 16/1 fuel to oil mix, and I have one saw that calls for 40/1. I feel that I could run all of my saws on 32/1 fuel to oil mix. with out any problems. I know there has been quit a debate on and about this subject, on various threads on this sight. I have read a lot of them. taken some with a grain of salt, some ver batum and dismissed some of them. I think you can form your own opinion and if I could get the stuff, I'd use it. It's ment to use in 2 stroke dirtbikes and handle the conditions those engines run under. I've though of using it in an Outboard motor but have been advised that it is not of the right chemical make up for them. That the manufacturers oil should be used in outboards. OK, I've rattled on enough. You can make up your own mind. But don't think you'll be disappointed, if you tried it. Take care and Merry Christmas to all. Lewis. Wedge, let me know, what you find from Noco. Thanks.
 
youre knowledge is a great gift for xmas. i appreciate it. synthetic motor oil is amazing no dobt. i had an 89 ford thunderbird turbo coupe that i prt 258,000 miles on on mobil 1 but i thought synthetic oil was heat resistant si it wouldnt burn as good. but it guess its worth the $$$
 
Syn. Oil.

I have to concur with RockyJSquirrel. I'm not a chemical engineer, but 2 stroke or 2 cycle oil is designed to burn in a gas/oil mix. I'm just saying that syn. oil burns cleaner, leaves less deposites and build up, in combustion chambers, exhaust ports and mufflers and from what I can gather from various threads here, the molecular structure of the oil, is finer and more consistant, as compaired to Dino oil and as it passes through the 2 stroke engine, adhears to, penetrates and seeps into more places and gives better lubrication, than the Dino oil. This is just my opinion, I'm not trying to start an oil war, but when you have guys here stating that saws used in saw mills last longer and have cut more board feet of lumber on syn. oil as compaired to Dino oil, it only stand to reason, that syn. oil, has something going for it. Again this is just my opinion and you can form yours. I'm impressed, with what I've seen, in using it, in my own vehicals and power equipment. I've been using it for the last 20 plus years. Take care. Lewis.
 
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