omni block loopie

[mattfr12]

I try and keep track of cycles a bit and inspect the ropes. The idea being I will replace as use or condition demands. I will admit that I may not replace them as often as needed but I do try and take decent care of them so that they do last.

Ya that's understandable I snapped a 5/8 with a white pine top years and years ago and that was all it took. You know when they are shot but after 2-3 big trees on heavy wood a 5/8 is all burnt up and we use the Hobbs a porta wrap in my mind is light duty WLL Of 2000 I always thought thy could have done better on that, so I don't use one much.

 

[TreeAce]

I just got my omni loopie. It looks good. I cant wait to try it out monday.

 

[TreeAce]

I used it today and its pretty nice. My favorite part was when I had to climb outa the lift and crawl out onto a bent over Ash tree (still living thank God) and rope out the two ends or tops or whatever you wanna call em. The tree took such a wicked lean at the top it was like crawling out on a limb or something. I freaken hated it. Scary stuff IMHO. Anyway, I took my omni/loopie with me and it was def nice to have something more compact and lighter than my regular 5/8 loopie with the cmi block. i think this omni will see increasing service as I get used to having it around.

 

[Slvrmple72]

Had a two lead ash and hung the one lead off the other with a block and bent that f----- over like a candy cane! They are very strong! Glad to hear you are liking the Omni setup Doug...now you just need to buy one more...

 

[alonfn4]

I Just bought the Omni Loopie from Wesspur with there thanksgiving coupon for $80.00 ...


Well see how it works the plan is to use it as a fast deploying mini rigging block. Mainly for highly technical removals
where were taking out trees over houses/decks with tight drop zones. Jobs in which we have to take out the tops piece by piece.
I think the Loopie will make it easy to adjust and the quick side plate will be just like the ISC spring blocks. The big difference for
us is that I only plan on using this with 1/2" or 5/8" rigging lines.


I think the use I have in mind for the Omni is what they were thinking it would be used for........Lets Hope

I will post an update with photos after a few jobs we'll see how well it works.

 

[Stayalert]

I've been using mine for ~3 months but I'm not worthy of commercial so move along, nothing to see here....

 

[ApexTreeService]

DMM Pinto is better

Check out the DMM Pinto Rig pulley with Loopie from TreeStuff, $95 with 10% repeat customer discount so bottom line around $85. So glad I bought this over the Omni!

The Pulley is 3,150lbs stronger, yet half the weight! Full load bearing becket on the bottom for attaching whatever. I have heard from a dealer of an Omni Block shearing.

Tree Stuff - DMM Pinto Rig Loopie

 

[alonfn4]

Check out the DMM Pinto Rig pulley with Loopie from TreeStuff, $95 with 10% repeat customer discount so bottom line around $85. So glad I bought this over the Omni!

The Pulley is 3,150lbs stronger, yet half the weight! Full load bearing becket on the bottom for attaching whatever. I have heard from a dealer of an Omni Block shearing.

Tree Stuff - DMM Pinto Rig Loopie

I will take the Omni over the pinto rig any day its much more versatile with a side plate and a swivel.. "form follows function" as Frank Loyd Wright once said just because its stronger doesn't make it better in fact its a complete failure due to the fact there is no swinging side plate you would not be able to use ropes with spliced eye or any connectors with out having to pass them through from the opposite end and or removing the connector just to setup it up. notice that there are no rigging block commercially available without swinging side plates. Does that not make you wonder why that is the way it is????? maybe because it so efficient and practical....

and think I can deal with the 1:xxxxxxx odds that it will fail as will everything else in this business

 

[ApexTreeService]

I will take the Omni over the pinto rig any day its much more versatile with a side plate and a swivel.. "form follows function" as Frank Loyd Wright once said just because its stronger doesn't make it better in fact its a complete failure due to the fact there is no swinging side plate you would not be able to use ropes with spliced eye or any connectors with out having to pass them through from the opposite end and or removing the connector just to setup it up. notice that there are no rigging block commercially available without swinging side plates. Does that not make you wonder why that is the way it is????? maybe because it so efficient and practical....

and think I can deal with the 1:xxxxxxx odds that it will fail as will everything else in this business

Yes I have needed to attach midline. Hasn't been a problem. Just feed the working end through, what's the problem? Now, if that's needed, I pull up the spring loaded block for quick attachment. The fact I have heard of sheared side plates is the problem. For instance, in rock climbing, there has never been a documented failure of a dynamic climbing line. That is what I expect of my gear. How often do you have a rope snap and a 2000 lb limb fall on the all glass greenhouse? Never happened to me. Never had anything break.

 

[Pelorus]

I will take the Omni over the pinto rig any day its much more versatile with a side plate and a swivel.. "form follows function" as Frank Loyd Wright once said just because its stronger doesn't make it better in fact its a complete failure due to the fact there is no swinging side plate you would not be able to use ropes with spliced eye or any connectors with out having to pass them through from the opposite end and or removing the connector just to setup it up. notice that there are no rigging block commercially available without swinging side plates. Does that not make you wonder why that is the way it is????? maybe because it so efficient and practical....

and think I can deal with the 1:xxxxxxx odds that it will fail as will everything else in this business

If anyone is going to use an Omni or even a Pinto to negative block or otherwise use it for anything that approaches their WLL, then that is just asking for it. Sheared side plates will be the least of your concerns. As for someone saying that they have never had anything break, I would suggest that they either climb pretty small trees in that apple orchard, or they have never actually done much. Cause nobody is that good. Even an accountant breaks the odd pencil.

 

[alonfn4]

Yes I have needed to attach midline. Hasn't been a problem. Just feed the working end through, what's the problem? Now, if that's needed, I pull up the spring loaded block for quick attachment.

thats my point exactly whats the point of owning a pulley that has such a limitation that it can't easily be attached mid line. (if the working end has a splice or connector it can't be done easily ur saying it yourself that when it happens you pull of a spring block with the omni this eliminates this issue all together. what the point of owning gear if one of it main uses ( ie midline attachment) is not easily possible to me that just sounds like a design flaw...


I will take my chances with the failures as the were probably caused by the people misusing the equipment
and if not the odd are so unrealistic that it would fail, I think I can still sleep at night

 

[alonfn4]

How often do you have a rope snap and a 2000 lb limb fall on the all glass greenhouse? Never happened to me. Never had anything break.

Don't worry now that you said it, it will happen. If you haven't had a close call in this business than your either new to it or or just god danm lucky. your day will come i am not being mean but #### happens and it a dangerous biz to say the least

 

[ApexTreeService]

If anyone is going to use an Omni or even a Pinto to negative block or otherwise use it for anything that approaches their WLL, then that is just asking for it. Sheared side plates will be the least of your concerns. As for someone saying that they have never had anything break, I would suggest that they either climb pretty small trees in that apple orchard, or they have never actually done much. Cause nobody is that good. Even an accountant breaks the odd pencil.

Umm, I do large crane removals of Siberian elm, Cottonwood, and other trash trees, and drop things as large as I can. Am I doing something wrong? Should I want to break stuff? Maybe, I don't, cause I know cycles to failure and working load limit. How often are you lowering a 1000lb piece of trunk and the sling breaks? YOUR FIRED. GET OFF MY JOB, YOUR FIRED!!!!!!!!!

Your logic is like"oh sh#$, guess I should have retired that climbing line, looks like I'm going to hell"! Inspect your equipment, know your wood weights, know your rope limit including deductions for knots, wear on material etc.

 

[alonfn4]

Umm, I do large crane removals of Siberian elm, Cottonwood, and other trash trees, and drop things as large as I can. Am I doing something wrong? Should I want to break stuff? Maybe, I don't, cause I know cycles to failure and working load limit. How often are you lowering a 1000lb piece of trunk and the sling breaks? YOUR FIRED. GET OFF MY JOB, YOUR FIRED!!!!!!!!!

Your logic is like"oh sh#$, guess I should have retired that climbing line, looks like I'm going to hell"! Inspect your equipment, know your wood weights, know your rope limit including deductions for knots, wear on material etc.

Most of us me included in the industry do these thing but accidents still happen that why we have million dollar insurance policies (in case the #### hits the fan) and no I would not fire the guy its not his fault that a piece of equipment failed NOW if he rigged it wrong that is another story... and granted the omni / pinto have a different purpose than a 3T ISC/CMI Block do but that common knowledge. you have to follow your WLL or you may be taking the tree off the house...:msp_wink:

 

[ApexTreeService]

Don't worry now that you said it, it will happen. If you haven't had a close call in this business than your either new to it or or just god danm lucky. your day will come i am not being mean but #### happens and it a dangerous biz to say the least

NEVER HAD A CLOSE CALL!!!! I say 'close calls' are directly proportional to intelligence!!! I started out as a wild land fire fighter felling large dug firs for Bureau of Land Management. More training over a spring time than most of you have had all your lives. Now, certified arborist, certified tree worker.

I must be lucky, or smart. I'd say smart. I've had tree felling training you've never even heard of. I did my first crane job without any advice; made it up, given what needed to be done. That's the American way. My brain, simply said, these are the reaction forces, this is what needs to be done, this is how you will do it. Kind of like Einstein...

 

[alonfn4]

I am going to leave it with this I am an NYU Polytechnic mechanical engineering Drop-out with a Visual-Spatial IQ in the top 10% of the population. I am a nationally certified 2d/3d Auto CAD draftsman with 2 years of engineering level college physics under my belt. I have 5 years of hands on experience working and climbing for 2 local family tree services. I know what i am doing and I happen to be very good at what I do. This is not a pissing contest. nor am i impressed that you did your first crane removal with out any help which to me sounds risky and not very intelligent to try without prior experience...



I wish you good luck with your biz and i am sure you will do the same in return

I am done with comments on this matter ..............

 

[Pelorus]

You must be one of those rare guys that never works when he is exhausted, or in bad weather, or with inexperienced help, or distracted by stressors like family issues, deadbeat customers, injuries, plagues, floods, famines, wars, strikes, deadly pestilence, and so on.
Just speaking as a mere mortal, I've had a fair number of "learning experiences", some of which (like marriage) were costly and/or painful. I don't buy into that business of "All accidents are preventable" BS. You could walk across the street tomorrow and get pulverized by a piece of debris that fell off a commercial airplane.

 

[ApexTreeService]

I am going to leave it with this I am an NYU Polytechnic mechanical engineering Drop-out with a Visual-Spatial IQ in the top 10% of the population. I am a nationally certified 2d/3d Auto CAD draftsman with 2 years of engineering level college physics under my belt. I have 5 years of hands on experience working and climbing for 2 local family tree services. I know what i am doing and I happen to be very good at what I do. This is not a pissing contest. nor am i impressed that you did your first crane removal with out any help which to me sounds risky and not very intelligent to try without prior experience...



I wish you good luck with your biz and i am sure you will do the same in return

I am done with comments on this matter ..............

Much respect then sir, I only have an associates degree in electronic technology at the top of my class and drop out of Electrical Engineering. So sounds like were both losers lol. First crane was 'this is how it's done', but I also started off in 2002 by hiring a rock climbing instructor to teach me how to ascend the rope. Guess what he showed me? anchoring the line to the trunk, and using a grigri for descent, and ascenders for canopy access. Single rope technique that is coming around? I hope I don't have an accident, and hope you don't have any more. I know we have insurance, but just like any other, if you use it, it skyrockets. Thanks for your input.

 

[alonfn4]

as I said good luck to you keep in touch and maybe i will come and do some mountain/tree climbing out by you

I started with a grgri to moved on the the petzl ID a much better device and i am an avid mountain climber that were i learned alot of the climbing end of the business as well as book and two great mentor that worked my ass into the ground for #### pay but if it wasn't for them i wouldn't be where i am today...

as for the omni i will post some info ASAP

 

[ApexTreeService]

You must be one of those rare guys that never works when he is exhausted, or in bad weather, or with inexperienced help, or distracted by stressors like family issues, deadbeat customers, injuries, plagues, floods, famines, wars, strikes, deadly pestilence, and so on.
Just speaking as a mere mortal, I've had a fair number of "learning experiences", some of which (like marriage) were costly and/or painful. I don't buy into that business of "All accidents are preventable" BS. You could walk across the street tomorrow and get pulverized by a piece of debris that fell off a commercial airplane.

Never work when exhausted? How about getting called at 2 a.m. on a wild land fire that you have to work until the next day? Bad weather? What is that? Sorry, I was tempered in 105 degree summer heat with a 60lb pack, full Nomex long sleave/pants fire resistant clothing, hiking 45 degree mountain sides with a Stihl, and a can of gas/oil. I have been work hardened. Injuries, plagues, floods, famines, wars, strikes, deadly pestilence, what is this, Medieval times?