Pioneer chainsaws

[pioneerguy600]

I'm glad you got that one up and running .
I just finished clearing a lot and put my saws away when the rain slowed down today , I'll let the original owner know the saw is up and making chips , he'll be happy to know .

Dan,..you tell that sum of a beech to take better care of them old magnesium saws. LOL . Yes it is working as good as any RA or 600 series saw I ever owned, it took a lot of messin with to get it where it is now but it was all worth it, luckily I had all the spare parts I needed to complete all the repairs required. Now I have to decide wether to leave it as is or start a complete strip down to glass bead and repaint it to make it look better.
Hope it puts a smile on the old owners face to hear it is running like a clock again.

Pioneerguy600

 

[Walt41]

Got my first two pioneers yesterday(p-20/p-26) I'm impressed with the attention to detail and the wood tone air cleaner covers.

 

[Mastermind]

Got my first two pioneers yesterday, I'm impressed at the attention to detail and the wood tone air cleaner covers.

Now Walt, you know we need pics.

 

[WesternSaw]

Walt41

Congatulations on getting a couple of Pioneers! Are the plastic air cleaner covers in good shape? As we have all discussed on this thread they are the hardest thing to keep intact on those old saws.I think the brown wood coloured one belonged to the 1073 if memory serves me right.
Lawrence

 

[Walt41]

No pics tonight, I'm kicked out of the office till tomorrow, wife is working on a project for her grad students.

 

[Sprintcar]

Got this one last Friday, Got a line on a P61.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Got this one last Friday, Got a line on a P61.

That is a clean looking Farmsaw you got there ,Jerry , get a bar and chain on it and cut some wood. LOL
Now a P61 will put a smile on your face if its a good runner, real old torque monsters they are.

Pioneerguy600

 

[Sprintcar]

Thanks Jerry. I gonna give this one to my father inlaw. He has taught me more about saws in the last 25 years and I think it's time he had another Pioneer to play with. He says that now he is a Homelite man. I think he has about 15 of them now. He also has three Pioneers, a 1110, a 1200A and I can't remember what the third one is. It may be a P26. Maybe this will put a smile on his face.

Jerry

 

[Mastermind]

Thanks Jerry. I gonna give this one to my father inlaw. He has taught me more about saws in the last 25 years and I think it's time he had another Pioneer to play with. He says that now he is a Homelite man. I think he has about 15 of them now. He also has three Pioneers, a 1110, a 1200A and I can't remember what the third one is. It may be a P26. Maybe this will put a smile on his face.

Jerry

A good father-in-law is a great thing to have ain't it. ???

Good for you for thinking of him. Great looking Farmsaw too.

 

[parrisw]

That thing is sweet

I thought so. Just don't want to drop the coin on it right now.

I usually wait for my oldest daughter to come home for the holidays, she has a Masters in computer science and my youngest daughter has a few years of university using computers instead of books, they both can write the software and talk the latest technology in computer design. To get them to help ole dad with his limited knowledge of computer useage is like taking their charge cards away and stopping them from going out shopping. LOL
I get to repair their cars and stuff but no time to help ole dad. I am a hands on guy that learns from trial and error, if I put my mind to getting this done then it would happen, jusy have to get determined.
Pioneerguy600

Ya Jerry. I hear ya. Seriously though if ya need help just hollar! If you can post pics here you can upload a vid. Its actually easier to upload a vid then post a pic here IMHO anyway.

 

[DSS]

Got this one last Friday, Got a line on a P61.

If you decide you don't like that 61, Jerry......hmmmmmmmmmmm


Talked to the guy with the RA last night, wants $50 for it. No b/c but I'm gonna go look, it seems complete other than that. He also has a 3071 which I know nothing about either.:biggrinbounce2:

 

[pioneerguy600]

Talked to the guy with the RA last night, wants $50 for it. No b/c but I'm gonna go look, it seems complete other than that. He also has a 3071 which I know nothing about either.:biggrinbounce2:[/QUOTE]

If its not all busted up then grab it, one of them is always worth a 50 spot.

Pioneerguy600

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thanks Jerry. I gonna give this one to my father inlaw. He has taught me more about saws in the last 25 years and I think it's time he had another Pioneer to play with. He says that now he is a Homelite man. I think he has about 15 of them now. He also has three Pioneers, a 1110, a 1200A and I can't remember what the third one is. It may be a P26. Maybe this will put a smile on his face.

Jerry

The bigger they get, the wider the smile.

Pioneerguy600

 

[ThePruner]

I can see the interest in using these but on the other hand I'd be afraid to operate a saw without a brake.

 

[Lou]

Keep your wits about you!!!

Loggers have used chainsaws sans a brake since their inception. I suspect very few professionals (keep their mind on the task at hand) have been bitten and those that were had angered the chainsaw Gods somehow (just a freak accident). I have used chainsaws since 1980±. My first saw (16" Skil) had a brake and part of my hate for that saw centered on the brake. My FarmSaw was one a local dealer (Alamogordo, NM) recommended that did not (does not) have a brake. I cannot ever recall any kick backs or saw gyrations where a brake would have enhanced my safety. I recall no time I have ever needed to reset the brake triggered by anything that occurred during a cut.
IMO proper PPE and the correct cutting technique negates the need for a brake.
Relying on the brake while cutting unsafely likely enhances your odds of getting hurt.
Lou

 

[DSS]

Loggers have used chainsaws sans a brake since their inception. I suspect very few professionals (keep their mind on the task at hand) have been bitten and those that were had angered the chainsaw Gods somehow (just a freak accident). I have used chainsaws since 1980±. My first saw (16" Skil) had a brake and part of my hate for that saw centered on the brake. My FarmSaw was one a local dealer (Alamogordo, NM) recommended that did not (does not) have a brake. I cannot ever recall any kick backs or saw gyrations where a brake would have enhanced my safety. I recall no time I have ever needed to reset the brake triggered by a cut.
IMO proper PPE and the correct cutting technique negates the need for a brake.
Relying on the brake while cutting unsafely likely enhances your odds of getting hurt.
Lou

I agree that relying on the brake will get you hurt in a hurry. I am more careful when I use a a saw with no brake, but I don't think twice about it. I have a lot of saws with no brake. Lots of people have still been hurt by saws with a chain brake, they are certainly not an end all to the risk of running a saw.

 

[briantutt]

I have cut myself three times and a brake would have made no difference whatsoever. Once starting a 1073 and twice just finished a cut and started to walk, saw bumped a twig and chain winding down hit me. My Labonville chaps that I now wear would have prevented all three...

PPE is a must, I am a slow learner.

 

[pioneerguy600]

The early chainsaws had no brake as most of them were slow turning torque producing saws, as the speed of the chain increased with the advent of faster revving saws there was greater risk of the chain striking an object near the tip causing it to kick up. I am not going to say the old saws could not kick back, they did and hard but most of the time the bar stayed in the cut/wood. The old saws were also so much heavier that they were used closer to the body in that you seldom reached out very far with them to make a cut, also the weight counteracted a saws tendency to jump or jolt backwards.As the saws increased in speed and HP. the brake became more necessary as these saws jumped easier and kickback was often violent, bars came completely out of the cut and struck the operator.
I believe in all the PPE when running the modern high RPM saws and having working chainbrakes, that said I have no worries about running my old torque producing saws without brakes. I cut my teeth on those old saws with the best teachers that ever walked on two feet, never had a close call or cut from a saw in the 47 years I have run them on my own. This is just my take on the evolution of the brake, of course OSHA or some other governmental agencies most likely had their way with chainsaw manufacturers to make the brakes mandentory for sales in this part of the world.

Pioneerguy600

 

[Lou]

I have cut myself three times~. Once starting a 1073~. My Labonville chaps that I now wear would have prevented all three...
PPE is a must, I am a slow learner.

Drop start?
The saw on solid ground, my left hand firmly around the front handle, and both feet spread wide on the ground (right toe in rear handle) is a VERY stable platform. I now own a few saws that must be drop started (top handle). They are the only saws I drop start.
Lou
I like your thoughts on this Jerry.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Drop start?
The saw on solid ground, my left hand firmly around the front handle, and both feet spread wide on the ground (right toe in rear handle) is a VERY stable platform. I now own a few saws that must be drop started (top handle). They are the only saws I drop start.
Lou
I like your thoughts on this Jerry.

Lou,.. I think operating a saw comes down to experience, there is no blanket operational rules that covers all operators. Those with a lot of years of experience will have developed skills that they can use that may seem unsafe to someone that has far less experience. Even the enviroment that the saws are operated in and on different types of land like steep slopes, thick vegetation, sparse vegetation and widely spaced big trees etc. When I am felling big trees with plenty of space between them then I am not so worried about vegetation either around the bar and chain or underfoot, in this case I watch out for overhead dangers. Working in younger stands then there are dangers in the thicker vegetation, the chain may catch or bounce off., less dangers from above. Steep slope and stony ground, danger of slipping and striking the chain/bar on ground or on the tree trunks themselves, also danger from above. These areas call for protective gear and saws with brakes.
When I am cutting off a woodpile out in the open like bucking up firewood then I might forego the PPE, but I would not recommend this to all operators, for me I feel confident in my abilities to operate a saw in this type of situation and not injure myself. Being capable of reading how the piece of wood, that is being cut, will react to the bar going through it as it is severed will keep the operator much safer, also what is on the opposite side of the wood being cut so the chain/bar does not contact and jump. In this situation I will wear my chainsaw boots, helmet with hearing protection and faceguard and usually leave the pants and gloves off. As always this is just MO.
Pioneerguy600