Pioneer chainsaws

[sawfun]

Geeezzz ! I think I goofed !
Here I am looking for this Pioneer brand bar that's on the P41 the one I have been going on about and I don't think it's even a Pioneer because if it was wouldn't the part number start with a 4 not a 5 ? Man o Man ! Also I think the gauge on a Pioneer bar that size would not have been .050 . Opinions Please .
Thanks
Western Saw

I have an "old style" stenciled Poulan 36" bar, and amazingly it is .050.

 

[paul hill]

Geeezzz ! I think I goofed !
Here I am looking for this Pioneer brand bar that's on the P41 the one I have been going on about and I don't think it's even a Pioneer because if it was wouldn't the part number start with a 4 not a 5 ? Man o Man ! Also I think the gauge on a Pioneer bar that size would not have been .050 . Opinions Please .
Thanks
Western Saw

I understand it as the original Pioneer part numbers were six numbers beginning with the number 4 as shown on most Pioneer P series IPL's. The way I understand it, once Poulan Pro and/or Partner took over Pioneer, the 507 numbers were added to part numbers. Sort of like a prefix to the original part number.

Someone here probably can explain the details of how this came to be better than I can. In my experience though, the parts are the same if they start with the 507 or without it.

My experience is only with the later and larger P series. It may be different for the older and different series of saws.

I think your bar is a Pioneer bar based on the part number. And I know some of the later ones were .50 gauge because I have a couple of them

Good luck on the bar search.

 

[WesternSaw]

Okay Thank You Paul !
WesternSaw

 

[Lou]

Geeezzz ! I think I goofed !
Here I am looking for this Pioneer brand bar that's on the P41 the one I have been going on about and I don't think it's even a Pioneer because if it was wouldn't the part number start with a 4 not a 5 ? Man o Man ! Also I think the gauge on a Pioneer bar that size would not have been .050 . Opinions Please .
Thanks
Western Saw

When Poulan bought Pioneer they added a "507" to the front of the Pioneer part number. My Farmsaw bar should have been pn 475344 (18", I had it replaced with a 20" (Oregon) before I bought it new in 1979). That same bar, if available would now be 507475344.
Paul beat my post by that much...

 

[pioneerguy600]

Okay Thank You Paul !
WesternSaw

Did you check with Jeff yet?

 

[fossil]

Pioneer 850 paint, l got the paint on this saw and now can start to finish assembling. still a few things to do.

Looks great Brian. Where did you get the hardener from?

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thank You Paul !
Western Saw

There are fellas sitting on stashes of Pioneer NOS parts the trick is to know them or find them LOL. I have made a couple of inquiries so will see if something pans out. I should check Ebay as well
Western Saw

Your SSW tipped bar has the newer updated 5 rivet connector tang to the bar itself and also has 6 rivets holding the sprocket inside the tip, as others have stated the 507 is the Poulan prefix,475848 is the old Pioneer number, 28" , .050 gauge with 92 drive links and its a 3/8" chain. The bar before that change had a spun over race to hold the sprocket inside the tip., it was referred to as a NSW tip.

 

[WesternSaw]

When Poulan bought Pioneer they added a "507" to the front of the Pioneer part number. My Farmsaw bar should have been pn 475344 (18", I had it replaced with a 20" (Oregon) before I bought it new in 1979). That same bar, if available would now be 507475344.
Paul beat my post by that much...

Okay Thank You Paul !
I Wonder then, when Poulan took over, is that Pioneer part with a 507 now in front of the Pioneer part still a Pioneer part or a Poulan part ? Sorry not trying to confuse the issue but maybe if I look for a Poulan part number instead of a Pioneer part.

 

[WesternSaw]

Did you check with Jeff yet?

Hi Jerry
I have contacted Jeff and Thanks for that ! He is away for the weekend but will check when he gets back . He is also looking to see if he has a brake system for the P41. Not sure if my clutch cover will accept the brake feature without drilling holes in it . If he has a clutch cover with holes to accept the brake feature I may as well go with that if he has it. Now my P41 is different than others with the brake handle as mine is plastic affixed to a metal bracket that goes down into the clutch cover every one I have seen is all metal. I know I really need to get some images up LOL ! I may have posted on this thread before I'm not sure though.
Western Saw

 

[WesternSaw]

Your SSW tipped bar has the newer updated 5 rivet connector tang to the bar itself and also has 6 rivets holding the sprocket inside the tip, as others have stated the 507 is the Poulan prefix,475848 is the old Pioneer number, 28" , .050 gauge with 92 drive links and its a 3/8" chain. The bar before that change had a spun over race to hold the sprocket inside the tip., it was referred to as a NSW tip.

Thanks for the reply Jerry ! Jerry I have an original whole green coloured Pioneer binder manual and in the bar section I could not find my bar in there not 28 inches not SSW and not .050 gauge. But then again maybe I did not look hard enough .I just had two new chains made up for that present bar so that is why I'm looking for that particular one

 

[p61 western]

Thanks for the reply Jerry ! Jerry I have an original whole green coloured Pioneer binder manual and in the bar section I could not find my bar in there not 28 inches not SSW and not .050 gauge. But then again maybe I did not look hard enough .I just had two new chains made up for that present bar so that is why I'm looking for that particular one

I will take pics of my bar that I believe is the same as yours, and post them tonight.

 

[WesternSaw]

Okay let's try this !

 

[WesternSaw]

Okay that worked ! Here's a few more

 

[WesternSaw]

Yahoo ! So there they are the often heard of P41 heard but not seen ....... until now LOL !

Jerry you can see what I'm talking about in regards to the chain brake handle
WesternSaw

 

[WesternSaw]

Figured I would share a pic of my p41hp.View attachment 653769

Nice P41 you have there P61 !
Difference in the chain brake handle than on mine that I was mentioning to Pioneerguy600 .
WesternSaw

 

[p61 western]

Nice P41 you have there P61 !
Difference in the chain brake handle than on mine that I was mentioning to Pioneerguy600 .
WesternSaw

Your p41 has the rare hand guard option. Don't get rid of it whatever you do. That is a amazing saw you got there. I would love to have it if you get tired of it in the future lol. I will go and get some pics of that bar right now. Jeff can tell you more about the guard option and how rare they are to find intact.

 

[p61 western]

Nice P41 you have there P61 !
Difference in the chain brake handle than on mine that I was mentioning to Pioneerguy600 .
WesternSaw

Here are some pics of my 28 inch bar.

 

[WesternSaw]

Your p41 has the rare hand guard option. Don't get rid of it whatever you do. That is a amazing saw you got there. I would love to have it if you get tired of it in the future lol. I will go and get some pics of that bar right now. Jeff can tell you more about the guard option and how rare they are to find intact.

Thanks P61 !
I think someone told me that was a rare guard before .Maybe it was Jeff or Jerry not sure ! Sorry but I'm going to hang on to that P41 ! Had to get rid of a whole bunch of saws and gave up a couple of older Pioneers that I wish I hung on to ,but that's life ! So now I only have the P41 and a nice P28 or P29 in real nice shape. Have quite a few parts for the smaller P series saws.
WesternSaw

 

[WesternSaw]

Here are some pics of my 28 inch bar. View attachment 655466 View attachment 655467

Yep that bar is the same as mine !
WesternSaw

 

[p61 western]

Thanks P61 !
I think someone told me that was a rare guard before .Maybe it was Jeff or Jerry not sure ! Sorry but I'm going to hang on to that P41 ! Had to get rid of a whole bunch of saws and gave up a couple of older Pioneers that I wish I hung on to ,but that's life ! So now I only have the P41 and a nice P28 or P29 in real nice shape. Have quite a few parts for the smaller P series saws.
WesternSaw

I'm sure you will find other saws up in your area. Glad to have you back posting here. You started probably the best Pioneer thread going.