Pioneer chainsaws

[leeha]

Well guys I will be away for 23 days, have fun and be good to each other, I will check back in upon returning home. If anyone sends me a PM and does not get a reply I am not ignoring you, just out of touch.

Pioneerguy600

Have a great time.
If you don't mind me asking,
Where are you heading?


Lee

 

[WesternSaw]

Pioneerguy600

Hello Fellas
Like of all of you,I wish Jerry and Judy a safe,Happy Holiday.I will be on my way to try and hook up with him and his wife today for a short visit.
Lawrence

 

[WesternSaw]

P41 Western

Hello Pioneer Guru's
As I explained earlier that I bought a low hours P41 Western off an original owner,i thought I would share some photos with a few parts off of the saw.does it seem low hours visually?Hope you can see the carbon on top of the piston.I really would like to fire the saw up as I have not done so yet .Is that carbon on top of the piston going to do damage.Spark plug seems in good shape just a little black. Anyway please let me know your thoughts.

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[mcor]

RA torque specs ?

Well it's time to put my RA project back together and I'm wondering if anyone can provide me with the torque measurements for the cylinder/head, flywheel, connecting rod etc... Also basic carb settings. Thanks for any help!

 

[cjcocn]

Hello Pioneer Guru's
As I explained earlier that I bought a low hours P41 Western off an original owner,i thought I would share some photos with a few parts off of the saw.does it seem low hours visually?Hope you can see the carbon on top of the piston.I really would like to fire the saw up as I have not done so yet .Is that carbon on top of the piston going to do damage.Spark plug seems in good shape just a little black. Anyway please let me know your thoughts.

I can't make it out too well, but it doesn't look too bad. If you have some Stihl Ultra, that is supposed to burn off carbon quite well when running the saw. If it were me (and I didn't think the carbon was too bad) I would just add some SeaFoam to the fuel mix and run it until it cleaned itself out.

Don't go by that tho, that is me talking and it would be on my saws, plus I cannot tell exactly how much carbon build-up you have there. I would wait to hear other advice before running a saw that nice.

... and it is a great looking saw!

 

[DroppedP51]

Hello Pioneer Guru's
As I explained earlier that I bought a low hours P41 Western off an original owner,i thought I would share some photos with a few parts off of the saw.does it seem low hours visually?Hope you can see the carbon on top of the piston.I really would like to fire the saw up as I have not done so yet .Is that carbon on top of the piston going to do damage.Spark plug seems in good shape just a little black. Anyway please let me know your thoughts.

Hi bodily the saw looks in good cond What did the original owner have to say? did you try turning it over? good compression? it should be ok too start Has it had 2stroke or engine oil mixed with the fuel? I myself would run the 1st tank at 16 to 1 then 24 to 1 mixture How much work do you plan to do with the saw?

 

[WesternSaw]

P41 Western

A few more of the P41

 

[leeha]

Pete, That is one clean P41.
Are you sure you didn't give it a
little TLC. Just kidding.

I don't see anything that is preventing
you from running this saw.
It all looks good to me.

Good luck Lee

 

[Arrowhead]

Lawrence, That saw looks like it is trashed internally. I think you should sell it to me- $20.00???? LOL Kidding aside, I do believe it has low hours. The more hours, the more scratches and external abuse you would see. Its hard to tell in the pics. but I don't see anything out of line. Did you do a compression test? I think you got one heck of a good saw.

 

[WesternSaw]

P41

Hi Guy's
Okay Lee who told you I cleaned it up a bit?You were right on when you said that! I wanted it to be a little more photogenic that when I first got it.I didn't' do anything too major though,it had a lot of stuff between the fins and that sort of thing.I will post a couple of pictures when I put the muffler and bar and cover back on.

Sorry arrowhead this baby is staying with me!LOL

I was just a little concerned about that little bit of flaky carbon you can see on the top of the piston.There is one picture there with the piston just up to the exhaust port that shows it.Maybe I see it better because I know it's there.I was thinking I would put the piston up to the top then try and suck it with a vacuum.I also think the fella that owned it before did not keep the cylinder fins clear that often,maybe that's why the outside of the cylinder looks a liitle burnt.Again I'm not an expert at all! I don't have a compression gage yet so I don't have a way to check it,that's on my wish list
Thanks for the replies so far!
Lawrence

 

[cjcocn]

Hi Guy's
Okay Lee who told you I cleaned it up a bit?You were right on when you said that i wanted it to be a little more photogenic that when I first got it.I didn't't do anything too major though,it had a lot of stuff between the fins and that sort of thing.I will post a couple of pictures when I put the muffler and bar and cover back on.

Sorry arrowhead this baby is staying with me!LOL

I was just a little concerned about that little bit of flaky carbon you can see on the top of the piston.There is one picture there with the piston just up to the exhaust port that shows it.Maybe I see it better because I know it's there.I was thinking I would put the piston up to the top then try and suck it with a vacuum.I also think the fella that owned it before did not keep the cylinder fins clear that often,maybe that's why the outside of the cylinder looks a liitle burnt.Again I'm not an expert at all! I don't have a compression gage yet so I don't have a way to check it,that's on my wish list
Thanks for the replies so far!
Lawrence

If it is flaking then I would try and get the flakes off. I have had them catch in the cylinder walls and score the cylinder (on a 4 stroke).

 

[Brmorgan]

Jerry called me yesterday evening after they landed in Prince George a couple hours north of me. Said their flight out was smooth & all went well. Now for the fun part of the trip! I did pretty much the same route he's taking back in '93 and have been wanting to do it again now that I'm older and can appreciate it more. But it was an amazing trip, I'm sure he'll enjoy it as long as the mosquitoes don't carry him away.

That P41 is sure a nice specimen. I didn't know they made a specific "western" model. It looks the same as mine, with the exception of how the rubber boot fits over the carb intake. Mine has a rectangular box-type intake, and the rubber boot and air filter have grooves which slide down over this. At least I think I'm remembering that correctly, it's been awhile since I've had it apart. I don't use it much anymore because it's not exactly a lightweight, and my Husky 50 can outpace it in pretty much anything 18" and under. It's not as pretty as this one - my top cover, air filter, and rubber boot are all broken or cracked and need replacing.

 

[DroppedP51]

If it is flaking then I would try and get the flakes off. I have had them catch in the cylinder walls and score the cylinder (on a 4 stroke).

Use a wooden ice block stick or somthing similiar and vacume cleaner to rub flakes off piston crown, A few years ago I did this to an old 650 ive got Cleaned all the carbon out of the exhaust port piston crown and top of bore also the top of the head even up in the plug chamber with steel wool ..... The saw does no longer go !

 

[propliner]

Lawrence, that's a good looking saw! I would say it definitely is a low-timer. The rubber parts look great and the clutch looks new. The western decal isn't peeled, even around the edges. The starter pawls show little wear. As far as the piston and cylinder goes, they appear to be in top shape which is a good thing because they are so rare.

I'd caution against someone wanting to buy a P40 series saw simply because of the rarity of those top-end parts. They would have to be in excellent shape.

Congrats, Lawrence. She's a beauty.

 

[WesternSaw]

P41 Western

Hello Brendon
Thanks for the nice comments about the saw!
Brendon hope you can see the carbon on the piston head.Would you leave it there or try and remove some of it without doing a tear down?Also would you agree when I mentioned that the darkened outside of the cylinder head and fins are due to contaminates baking on there?There is also a little dent in the chain bar that I will post pics of shortly.

Thanks to, Lee,Brmorgan,cjcocn for the positive comments on the saw! And anyone else I may have forgot

Lawrence

 

[Brmorgan]

Lawrence, that's a good looking saw! I would say it definitely is a low-timer. The rubber parts look great and the clutch looks new. The western decal isn't peeled, even around the edges. The starter pawls show little wear. As far as the piston and cylinder goes, they appear to be in top shape which is a good thing because they are so rare.

I'd caution against someone wanting to buy a P40 series saw simply because of the rarity of those top-end parts. They would have to be in excellent shape.

Congrats, Lawrence. She's a beauty.

When I first was given my P41 it was a non-runner, its original piston was destroyed. The entire section between the top ring and the crown of the piston was crumbling away, I'd never seen anything like it & still have no idea what would have caused it since there was no scoring. I went down to the local saw shop and they were able to cross-reference it to a new one supplied by Husqvarna, but it was ridiculously expensive. This was when my dad introduced me to the guy he used to work with at the mill who has become my go-to parts guy. He sold me a complete case w/ topend for $30 plus exchange of the old parts. It was the first saw I ever worked on and was a bit intimidating at the time, but I got it figured out.

 

[propliner]

would you agree when I mentioned that the darkened outside of the cylinder head and fins are due to contaminates baking on there?

Lawrence, that darkening on the exit side of the cylinder is quite normal, even for a fairly new engine. I wouldn't worry about that. It's the carbon that can break away and score the jug that should concern you. The teardown on these saws is super easy. Remove the top frame, linkages, ignition, carb and muffler and you're off to the races. It's much, much easier that on the small series ones and one of the reasons I like working on them.
Brendon.

 

[WesternSaw]

P41

Brendon,would you say then not to attempt to try and remove any of the carbon on the head (TOP) of the piston?What if I tried to do it with great care,like I mentioned earlier with a small vacuum hose down the plug hole and gently wiping the top of the piston with a little wood scraper.If this not a good idea please say so.
Thanks
Lawrence PS. Is the top of the piston referred to as the crown, as some have mentioned?

 

[propliner]

It might very well work. I'd remove the spark plug, too and get some really good flow through when vacuuming.

 

[propliner]

Pioneer company info.

I found some fairly detailed info about the last couple of years at the Pioneer plant in Peterborough. It includes a lot of the politics involved between the company and Electrolux, as well as details about the internal politics at that time. Although the company was manufacturing an excellent product, they were saddled in debt and had a shaky relationship with the parent company, OMC. It's a good read.



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