Pioneer chainsaws

[WesternSaw]

Dropped P51 and Brian Tuutt

Nice RA you have there.Jerry can tell you a lot about those puppies!

Brian I sent you an email!


Can any of our Gurus tell me what to lubricate on the starter assembly of the P41? Do you lubricate the springs and pawls on the flywheel?If anyone could post a picture and point it out that would even be better.
Thanks
Lawrence

 

[propliner]

P25

Brian, I have a bunch of parts for the P25. Once you figure out what you need, send me a list and hopefully I can help you out.


Lawrence, I use a light oil on the pulley shaft and underneath the starter pulley. I also lube the starter pawls where they pivot on the bolts and the springs too. WD40 or similar oil works great as a lube and keeps everything from rusting, too. It doesn't seem to collect too much dirt.

Brendon.

 

[propliner]

Dropped P51, nice RA. I'd love to try running one of those. If I ever find one locally I'm going to snap it up. Very cool saw.

 

[DroppedP51]

Thanks guys

saw had sat for 40 years but is in good cond has a 24 inch bar I payed $120 for it more of a gesture of goodwill, The guy that had it said the chain broke and when he got it repaired it had a bad vibration afterwards,'One section of chain is new in the old chain' I blasted and painted top cover as birds had dealt to it ,But apart from that it a good old saw The orig owner even gave me the parts manual for the RA and JB

 

[WesternSaw]

P41 Lube

Brendon thanks very much for the advice on the lubrication points.Oh man that doesn't sound too good !
Lawrence

 

[WesternSaw]

More Tools

Hello Fellas
Some of you guys that have seen my posts know that my Pioneer chainsaw collecting is going all right but tearing them down is another thing.I have quite a few tools as mentioned before but could use some more as well.Today while in a local automotive supply and tool shop I noticed 2 little gizmo's that might prove usefull to me.They are made by Thexton.One is a coil-on plug tester and the other is a adjustable ignition tester.They basically look the same but one has a long wire for the alligator clip.They were on sale and made in the USA.Package say's good for small engines as well as automobiles. Now I need to ask how you fellas use them,the directions could be a bit better on the package.
Thanks
Lawrence

 

[cjcocn]

Hello Fellas
Some of you guys that have seen my posts know that my Pioneer chainsaw collecting is going all right but tearing them down is another thing.I have quite a few tools as mentioned before but could use some more as well.Today while in a local automotive supply and tool shop I noticed 2 little gizmo's that might prove usefull to me.They are made by Thexton.One is a coil-on plug tester and the other is a adjustable ignition tester.They basically look the same but one has a long wire for the alligator clip.They were on sale and made in the USA.Package say's good for small engines as well as automobiles.Tomorrow I'll ask how to use them!
Thanks
Lawrence

Sound like they could prove to be very useful.

Can you post some pics?

Thanks

 

[WesternSaw]

Pictures of Thexton tools

Chris you asked for pictures of the tools I just picked up.Here's a few

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[pioneerguy600]

Chris you asked for pictures of the tools I just picked up.Here's a few

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Thats an easy one, just plug it into the high tension lead,( spark plug wire ) and ground the alligator clip end to a metal part of the engine. The internal gap can be adjusted to match the sparkplug gap called for on the engine you are working on.
Pioneerguy600

 

[WesternSaw]

Pioneer 750

Hello Jerry and all the Pioneer guy's
Jerry I was telling you about the latest Pioneer I received but wasn't sure of the model.I think it's a 750 but you and the others can set me straight if I'm wrong

Looks like the previous owner who was a faller, put some sort of skirt on the side of the saw.
Lawrence

 

[WesternSaw]

New Tool's

Hi Jerry
Thanks for the fast reply.I noticed on the package of the spark checking tool that you can set the tool gap to a line marked SE (small engines) then it has markings up to 40,000, what does that represent volts?
Thanks
Lawrence
PS Did you get a chance to look at the new to me Pioneer?

 

[pioneerguy600]

Hi Jerry
Thanks for the fast reply.I noticed on the package of the spark checking tool that you can set the tool gap to a line marked SE (small engines) then it has markings up to 40,000, what does that represent volts?
Thanks
Lawrence
PS Did you get a chance to look at the new to me Pioneer?

As far as my limited knowledge of electronics goes I believe that the voltage is the driving force that forces the electricity ( electrons ) through a conductor and across a gap between two conductors, amperage is the force that gets the work done. I would say the tester is for voltage, spark plugs work on high voltage.
Your new to you Pioneer could be either a 700 or a 750. It has a 700 air filter on it but that in itself would not tell the correct model. The chip deflector added to the bottom of the clutch cover is often found on saws that cut dry dusty wood, mostly softwood and often seen on West coast saws.
Pioneerguy600

 

[Brmorgan]

Hello Fellas
Some of you guys that have seen my posts know that my Pioneer chainsaw collecting is going all right but tearing them down is another thing.I have quite a few tools as mentioned before but could use some more as well.Today while in a local automotive supply and tool shop I noticed 2 little gizmo's that might prove usefull to me.They are made by Thexton.One is a coil-on plug tester and the other is a adjustable ignition tester.They basically look the same but one has a long wire for the alligator clip.They were on sale and made in the USA.Package say's good for small engines as well as automobiles. Now I need to ask how you fellas use them,the directions could be a bit better on the package.
Thanks
Lawrence

That ignition tester looks exactly the same as one on sale right now at KMS Tools down your way, and which I was already planning on ordering over the weekend along with a bleeder/vacuum tester kit for another $40 - I've been needing one of these in the worst way to perform vacuum tests on crank bearings & gaskets etc. Same price too, it appears. Never seen that other gizmo before, sounds handy. More tools are never a bad thing either way. Sound advice given to me which has proved right over and over again. Even if I know I might only ever need a tool a handful of times, I'd still rather buy it than borrow or rent as long as the cost is reasonable.

As far as my limited knowledge of electronics goes I believe that the voltage is the driving force that forces the electricity ( electrons ) through a conductor and across a gap between two conductors, amperage is the force that gets the work done. I would say the tester is for voltage, spark plugs work on high voltage.
Pioneerguy600

Yep, think of voltage like water behind a dam - more water (voltage) behind the dam equals more pressure, allowing a faster flow through a narrower pipe (amperage). I believe most chainsaw ignition coils produce between 12,000 - 20,000 Volts if they're nice and fresh.

A little offtopic, I have a 15kV Neon sign transformer that'll start an arc at 3/4" gap, and can be drawn out to over 3" arc before it fails. It only puts out about 40 mA though, which is about what a cell phone might use on standby. It's neat to play with, but I'm building a high-frequency arc stabilizer for my welder out of it so I can run a TIG torch. It was just a cheapo Lincoln AC buzzbox, but I already put the guts in a bigger metal enclosure and added a rectifier stack to give DC output (which works beautifully BTW compared to the old AC), so it should be a half-decent machine by the time I'm done modding it. My mom is always worrying I'm going to burn down the house or kill myself with it though.

 

[WesternSaw]

Thanks Jerry and Brad

Thanks Jerry and Brad for replies to my questions

Jerry are you saying that the skirt on the saw is something that fellas just added to there saw?I mean it did not come from the factory like that.

Brad those tools came from KMS on sale.I just bought them yesterday.Funny thing I just PMed you about KMS before reading your post in this thread
LOL

Thanks Again to both of you!

 

[DroppedP51]

Hi all

Hi all Whats a P65? Any body got one? Also any photos Thanks

 

[DroppedP51]

Hi all Whats a P65? Any body got one? Also any photos Thanks

Ok more info Ive advertised over NZ looking for a P60-61-62 ,Had a guy ring me about a P65 pioneer/partner I rang him back but he wasnt there , His son thinks its a concrete saw? or that the saw was pulled apart to fix a concrete saw, I havnt seen any of it yet ,HELP Im losing sleep dreaming of having a P61

 

[Arrowhead]

I believe the P65 was the last of the Pioneer/partner large saws. I think its the same as the P62, except for some modern changes. I seen in IPL's it uses a round k&n style air filter similar to Ryans and Brendons on there 655's. I believe it is also a 98cc saw like the rest of the 60 series. These are my thoughts, I could be wrong. I do know for sure it is a chainsaw and not a concrete saw, even if its in pieces I would grab it up. Parts are easier to find for the newer saws. If you pm me with your e-mail, I could send you an IPL for the P65.

 

[Arrowhead]

P61

Well Guys, Here are some pics of a P61 I picked up last week. I believe it has low hours. It has tons of compression, and screams! I have a nos cover coming to replace the broke one. Im putting a cover without the basket over the muff, and changing the muff to a side exit. Thats just my preference. I will post more pics once I make the changes. I also have a P51 and P41 in route to there new home!

 

[GB1073]

1073 Bar Studs

Hi, I am new to this forum, and I just inherited my Dad's 1073. I have got it running, however it has a broken bar stud. It is broken right where the threads begin.
I have a friend who thinks that he may be able to weld it, however he has not seen the saw yet?
Is there a known way of removing the stud to install a new one?
Thank you for your support.
Grant

 

[Arrowhead]

Hi, Congrats on the saw and welcome to the site. Some models you can seperate the case and change the stud. I honestly do not know about you model though. If you can not change it, I would try the weld idea. I would keep an eye on E-bay for a case half or parts saw then. Maybe the weld would be fine forever though. There are many guys on this thread that have a ton more knowledge on these than I do. Im sure you will get your answer soon.