Ported 661s..

[jmssaws]

There was no muffler issue, I didn't have any deflectors and Red97 was out of town working so I sent it home with the cover of run when testing.
None of this was a secret or a problem, Bradley was told about it and was fine with me sending it home with my cover until I receive some deflectors and weld up his cover and send it to him and that's exactly what I did.
Never was there a problem with any of are dealings.
He sent me a pic and week ago of the piston and it had some light scratches or scuffs that a lot of saws have when there first together and after some time it would clean up, nothing about that is a lie or anything else,he agreed and that's t that.

The intent of this whole thing is pretty unbelievable,16 pages of bashing me for problems that don't exist.

My mind,business and name are destroyed from threads like this and that was the intent of this one,when all you have to do is lie and cause this much trouble for me then I believe I'll let you boys have it and find something else to do.
20 years of my life and work has been taken away in a few months by a few people who don't have any reason to do it.

I've had a couple problems that I wish didn't happen but they did and I took care of them and moved on,not one person that bashed me here has any reason to noe have I ever had any hard words of any kind with,as a matter of fact not a single one of them has ever said anything to me about a problem, they only want to do harm,if there was a problem they wanted fixed they would have asked me to fix it.

I already told one guy this but it's a real problem I'm having,think about this
How do I tell my wife that I have to find another job because of stuff like this?

I bet most of you guys wife's would do the same as mine if you told her the truth,she'd laugh right in your face and call everyone of us *******.

She wouldn't be lying

 

[drf255]

I'm gonna put my $.02 in. I've stayed quiet for most of this thread.

First off, why does the porting of this 661 jug have anything to do with any wrongdoing? I respect the owner not wanting to divulge any secret maneuvers Jason did to make more power. Hey, if a builder don't (or even May) want it divulged why not respect that? Once someone purchases a port job from you, it's there property to do what they want with it. If a guy takes it off, flips it over, and decided to use it to start tomato seeds in, it's his prerogative.

I see ingenuity in what Jason did to this 661 jug. He showed me it a while back and asked me not to show it, so guess what, I didn't. In the meantime, I saw pics of that jug probably 10 times from others that were told to shut their mouths. If what he did didn't work out, so what, he tried. The band looks really nice and the grinding looks clean. Maybe it didn't make a ton of torque and power? It certainly gets the gears turning in my head. Who is anyone to tell a guy how their work is "supposed" to look? Port the saw yourself if you already know what's best. Period.

The RTV "smeared" all over the bottom of it. Do any of us know what the sealant looks like when we pull a jug off a saw we have done? For all I know, it could look 10X worse than what was shown here. If the saw runs good and has no air leak, why would I pull it? So the RTV has zero here to do with bad workmanship. He used a gasket to block the original long transfer tunnel. I bet his saw is faster with a shorter bar than Brad's. Does that matter? Not at all. If it isn't, it doesn't matter either.

Has Jason handled every complaint, genuine or not, perfectly? Likely not. Can anyone of us say we could have? Definitely not. You can't make people happy all of the time, just how it goes.

I like and trust Jason. Never had a bad experience with him. Have I seen questionable things come from him? I have. But if I built as many saws as he has, I'm sure I'd have some non-perfect things occur as well. I don't think a single one was intentional. It's simply the law of averages guys.

Jason is human, just like the rest of us. He has a personal life, with its ups and downs, just like the rest of us. He's not a robot. If a guy talked crap behind my back and then came to me, I'd want to be spiteful myself.

The big problem here is the behavior exhibited by the "Men" here. If you have a problem with a saw, talk to the builder and no one else. If the builder offers you a reasonable explanation, either be satisfied or ask for it to be fixed. Only if things go south, post your version of the truth on a forum after telling the builder you will do so. Do it somewhere the builder can offer his explanation. Let the members be the judge and jury. That will clear things up with a solid reference existing for future review.

I think a lot of guys get off on the backhanded gossip that occurs here. Gives them something to do. Never seen anything like it. There's almost no response someone can make that isn't triumph for one and tragedy for another.

I've asked people what happened privately, got an answer, formulated an opinion, and didn't share it. Opinions are like Squarefile, everyone's got one between their arsecheeks.

I think everyone has to stop the BS with copying texts and PM's. They're private for a reason. They can be totally taken out of context and their meaning misconstrued. If you're gonna reveal a PM to show wrongdoing, tell the guy that wrote if first.

Try to explain to anyone what's going on here and try not to make them laugh. A bunch of males, with an average age of around 40 years old, arguing over a piece of garden equipment. If anyone did something that would threaten my way of feeding my family, I'd probably come back at them with all I've got.

Bottom line. If you have a problem with a guy, solve it yourself. If the guy did bad work, don't use him again and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

If you don't agree with me, guess what, that's your right. I don't hate you for that.

 

[Johnmn]

I'm gonna put my $.02 in. I've stayed quiet for most of this thread.

First off, why does the porting of this 661 jug have anything to do with any wrongdoing? I respect the owner not wanting to divulge any secret maneuvers Jason did to make more power. Hey, if a builder don't (or even May) want it divulged why not respect that? Once someone purchases a port job from you, it's there property to do what they want with it. If a guy takes it off, flips it over, and decided to use it to start tomato seeds in, it's his prerogative.

I see ingenuity in what Jason did to this 661 jug. He showed me it a while back and asked me not to show it, so guess what, I didn't. In the meantime, I saw pics of that jug probably 10 times from others that were told to shut their mouths. If what he did didn't work out, so what, he tried. The band looks really nice and the grinding looks clean. Maybe it didn't make a ton of torque and power? It certainly gets the gears turning in my head. Who is anyone to tell a guy how their work is "supposed" to look? Port the saw yourself if you already know what's best. Period.

The RTV "smeared" all over the bottom of it. Do any of us know what the sealant looks like when we pull a jug off a saw we have done? For all I know, it could look 10X worse than what was shown here. If the saw runs good and has no air leak, why would I pull it? So the RTV has zero here to do with bad workmanship. He used a gasket to block the original long transfer tunnel. I bet his saw is faster with a shorter bar than Brad's. Does that matter? Not at all. If it isn't, it doesn't matter either.

Has Jason handled every complaint, genuine or not, perfectly? Likely not. Can anyone of us say we could have? Definitely not. You can't make people happy all of the time, just how it goes.

I like and trust Jason. Never had a bad experience with him. Have I seen questionable things come from him? I have. But if I built as many saws as he has, I'm sure I'd have some non-perfect things occur as well. I don't think a single one was intentional. It's simply the law of averages guys.

Jason is human, just like the rest of us. He has a personal life, with its ups and downs, just like the rest of us. He's not a robot. If a guy talked crap behind my back and then came to me, I'd want to be spiteful myself.

The big problem here is the behavior exhibited by the "Men" here. If you have a problem with a saw, talk to the builder and no one else. If the builder offers you a reasonable explanation, either be satisfied or ask for it to be fixed. Only if things go south, post your version of the truth on a forum after telling the builder you will do so. Do it somewhere the builder can offer his explanation. Let the members be the judge and jury. That will clear things up with a solid reference existing for future review.

I think a lot of guys get off on the backhanded gossip that occurs here. Gives them something to do. Never seen anything like it. There's almost no response someone can make that isn't triumph for one and tragedy for another.

I've asked people what happened privately, got an answer, formulated an opinion, and didn't share it. Opinions are like Squarefile, everyone's got one between their arsecheeks.

I think everyone has to stop the BS with copying texts and PM's. They're private for a reason. They can be totally taken out of context and their meaning misconstrued. If you're gonna reveal a PM to show wrongdoing, tell the guy that wrote if first.

Try to explain to anyone what's going on here and try not to make them laugh. A bunch of males, with an average age of around 40 years old, arguing over a piece of garden equipment. If anyone did something that would threaten my way of feeding my family, I'd probably come back at them with all I've got.

Bottom line. If you have a problem with a guy, solve it yourself. If the guy did bad work, don't use him again and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

If you don't agree with me, guess what, that's your right. I don't hate you for that.

Best post in this whole crappy thread!

 

[pioneerguy600]

Super post Al. These bash a person threads always get way out of hand and a lot of non truth gets posted due to the fact many that are posting have no business dealings with the person being posted about. The posts are from those that have heard something from someone else, second hand information that gets twisted and construed. Many members think this information has to come out to satisfy the curiosity of the membership but in reality all business should be handled between the two participants and should be kept off the open forum. Too much harm is caused by these bash threads that is in most cases irreparable and in the end who is really helped by all this?

 

[redbull660]

As some of u say I need to defend my integrity well here it is. I sent my 661 to Julian originally for comparison with his tm saw. I've always been intrigued by the power Scott's been able to produce with these saws and thought mine would be a tough contender. I've never ran another ported 661 prior to mine and was fine with the performance, after all it was far ahead of stock so there was no pre meditated vendetta towards Jason with this in mind. Jason also built a 064 hybrid for me "Beatrice" that is a super strong saw, way ahead of my 661. Jason is a good builder and as I told him, if a few things were sharpened up on the business side there wouldn't be any issues. The muffler issue and the piston scuffing I confronted him about and there was never any freeport. He did try to fix the muffler but by that time the saw was with Julian. I think it takes some ingenuity for what he's done with these 661 cylinders and it does produce plenty of speed. Running a long bar with full comp chain I wanted more torque, this is why after running I switched to Tree Monkey. Julian has video of doing comparisons with builders saws in the past so I really didn't see the problem. If people got this pissed about timed cuts there would never be any racing would there?! This was never an intent to hurt Jason that's not what I'm about. I also said I didnt want any pics of port work being shown. All I wanted was to try something different. In the end it's my saw and no man will ever dictate what I choose to do with my property. Late reply I know, but it's been a long hard day.

EXACTLY!!!

and it was my bad (I do apologize) I didn't inform Tree Monkey he wasn't allowed to post pics. It didn't even cross my mind that he would. He doesn't care about other's port work. Pics were only taken and sent to Stihl84. Why - concerns he raised with the scuffing on the piston and the free port which just turned out to be a shadow in the picture he sent me.

To tree monkey's credit he didn't post any... Only when someone took a cheap shot at him some pages back showing pictures of his port work on jake wells 064 (which he didn't even put the saw together...group effort) did he post a few of this saw. Had I told him stihl84 didn't want pics posted I know he wouldn't have.

 

[Stihl working hard]

I'm at work. Just reading all the latest posts.

I just saw something about 661,s thought I would check it out but it reads like a episode of days of our lives I would like to think everyone could just get on after all this BS over a chainsaw really guys

 

[blsnelling]

As some of u say I need to defend my integrity well here it is. I sent my 661 to Julian originally for comparison with his tm saw. I've always been intrigued by the power Scott's been able to produce with these saws and thought mine would be a tough contender. I've never ran another ported 661 prior to mine and was fine with the performance, after all it was far ahead of stock so there was no pre meditated vendetta towards Jason with this in mind. Jason also built a 064 hybrid for me "Beatrice" that is a super strong saw, way ahead of my 661. Jason is a good builder and as I told him, if a few things were sharpened up on the business side there wouldn't be any issues. The muffler issue and the piston scuffing I confronted him about and there was never any freeport. He did try to fix the muffler but by that time the saw was with Julian. I think it takes some ingenuity for what he's done with these 661 cylinders and it does produce plenty of speed. Running a long bar with full comp chain I wanted more torque, this is why after running I switched to Tree Monkey. Julian has video of doing comparisons with builders saws in the past so I really didn't see the problem. If people got this pissed about timed cuts there would never be any racing would there?! This was never an intent to hurt Jason that's not what I'm about. I also said I didnt want any pics of port work being shown. All I wanted was to try something different. In the end it's my saw and no man will ever dictate what I choose to do with my property. Late reply I know, but it's been a long hard day.

Other than the known threats of violence, you have not addressed the most serious allegations. Did he, or did he not swap out parts to your saw?

We can talk all we want about porting methods or quality of work, but those are opinions, not grounds for fraud.

 

[Stihl84]

Other than the known threats of violence, you have not addressed the most serious allegations. Did he, or did he not swap out parts to your saw?

We can talk all we want about porting methods or quality of work, but those are opinions, not grounds for fraud.

All I know of is the needle bearing. I asked Jason about it, he said mine needed replacing. I did find odd because it is a low hour saw. It's not a Stihl part number bearing but I wasn't going to twist an arm over a part that's only a few $. It looked like a new bearing he put back on so it doesn't matter.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

I'm gonna put my $.02 in. I've stayed quiet for most of this thread.

First off, why does the porting of this 661 jug have anything to do with any wrongdoing? I respect the owner not wanting to divulge any secret maneuvers Jason did to make more power. Hey, if a builder don't (or even May) want it divulged why not respect that? Once someone purchases a port job from you, it's there property to do what they want with it. If a guy takes it off, flips it over, and decided to use it to start tomato seeds in, it's his prerogative.

I see ingenuity in what Jason did to this 661 jug. He showed me it a while back and asked me not to show it, so guess what, I didn't. In the meantime, I saw pics of that jug probably 10 times from others that were told to shut their mouths. If what he did didn't work out, so what, he tried. The band looks really nice and the grinding looks clean. Maybe it didn't make a ton of torque and power? It certainly gets the gears turning in my head. Who is anyone to tell a guy how their work is "supposed" to look? Port the saw yourself if you already know what's best. Period.

The RTV "smeared" all over the bottom of it. Do any of us know what the sealant looks like when we pull a jug off a saw we have done? For all I know, it could look 10X worse than what was shown here. If the saw runs good and has no air leak, why would I pull it? So the RTV has zero here to do with bad workmanship. He used a gasket to block the original long transfer tunnel. I bet his saw is faster with a shorter bar than Brad's. Does that matter? Not at all. If it isn't, it doesn't matter either.

Has Jason handled every complaint, genuine or not, perfectly? Likely not. Can anyone of us say we could have? Definitely not. You can't make people happy all of the time, just how it goes.

I like and trust Jason. Never had a bad experience with him. Have I seen questionable things come from him? I have. But if I built as many saws as he has, I'm sure I'd have some non-perfect things occur as well. I don't think a single one was intentional. It's simply the law of averages guys.

Jason is human, just like the rest of us. He has a personal life, with its ups and downs, just like the rest of us. He's not a robot. If a guy talked crap behind my back and then came to me, I'd want to be spiteful myself.

The big problem here is the behavior exhibited by the "Men" here. If you have a problem with a saw, talk to the builder and no one else. If the builder offers you a reasonable explanation, either be satisfied or ask for it to be fixed. Only if things go south, post your version of the truth on a forum after telling the builder you will do so. Do it somewhere the builder can offer his explanation. Let the members be the judge and jury. That will clear things up with a solid reference existing for future review.

I think a lot of guys get off on the backhanded gossip that occurs here. Gives them something to do. Never seen anything like it. There's almost no response someone can make that isn't triumph for one and tragedy for another.

I've asked people what happened privately, got an answer, formulated an opinion, and didn't share it. Opinions are like Squarefile, everyone's got one between their arsecheeks.

I think everyone has to stop the BS with copying texts and PM's. They're private for a reason. They can be totally taken out of context and their meaning misconstrued. If you're gonna reveal a PM to show wrongdoing, tell the guy that wrote if first.

Try to explain to anyone what's going on here and try not to make them laugh. A bunch of males, with an average age of around 40 years old, arguing over a piece of garden equipment. If anyone did something that would threaten my way of feeding my family, I'd probably come back at them with all I've got.

Bottom line. If you have a problem with a guy, solve it yourself. If the guy did bad work, don't use him again and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

If you don't agree with me, guess what, that's your right. I don't hate you for that.

I totally agree with you on some of this Al.

But ill say that when you have list of people that arent happy with you at some point you gotta look in the mirror..i come from a family of business owners and totally understand that there's people out there you could blow and they aren't gonna be happy.

When something is your "livelihood" you better treat it like it is...and blowing people off and getting ignorant in short order isn't gonna do much to ensure you sustain it.

Im sure jason has a few happy customers on the internet...thats great...but that doesn't give them the right to get smart with people who have issues with him.

I don't really hate the guy at all , but i saw how MY personal situation was handled and didn't particularly care for it...i didn't go public and slam the guy and other than the 4 or 5 people that personally asked me i didnt have much to say about it.

I think he ports a helluva saw on some models...but so do other guys , he's not the only game in town obviously and better not forget it.

These people need to speak up now or never say another word about it.

Everyone has an opinion..but there is still right and wrong.

 

[blsnelling]

All I know of is the needle bearing. I asked Jason about it, he said mine needed replacing. I did find odd because it is a low hour saw. It's not a Stihl part number bearing but I wasn't going to twist an arm over a part that's only a few $. It looked like a new bearing he put back on so it doesn't matter.

That's not the half of what I was told. Either the facts must be told or this thread served no purpose at all.

 

[blsnelling]

These people need to speak up now or never say another word about it.

THIS!!!!

 

[Stihl84]

That's not the half of what I was told. Either the facts must be told or this thread served no purpose at all.

Brad I really don't know what else to say at this point. Ive said my peace about why I sent the saw out to Julian, which is really nobody's business to begin with. I also just stated that the only part the saw came back without a Stihl part # was the needle bear ring.

 

[Paragon Builder]

I totally agree with you on some of this Al.

But ill say that when you have list of people that arent happy with you at some point you gotta look in the mirror..i come from a family of business owners and totally understand that there's people out there you could blow and they aren't gonna be happy.

When something is your "livelihood" you better treat it like it is...and blowing people off and getting ignorant in short order isn't gonna do much to ensure you sustain it.

Im sure jason has a few happy customers on the internet...thats great...but that doesn't give them the right to get smart with people who have issues with him.

I don't really hate the guy at all , but i saw how MY personal situation was handled and didn't particularly care for it...i didn't go public and slam the guy and other than the 4 or 5 people that personally asked me i didnt have much to say about it.

I think he ports a helluva saw on some models...but so do other guys , he's not the only game in town obviously.

These people need to speak up now or never say another word about it.

Everyone has an opinion..but there is still right and wrong.

Ryan your candidness is refreshing. Now if others could follow suit, this could be resolved and we can all let it go.


Yeah... I'm dreaming....


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[El Moobs]

Personally.......I feel like a lot of this stuff has been blown way outta proportion.

We all make mistakes. Period.

Hell, I'm way behind my own schedule. I'm sure people are sick of waiting on me. Could I do better? Of course.

I think we can all do better......

Maybe it's time to move on?

 

[blsnelling]

I am not stating my opinion with these questions. However, these accusations need cleared up. Jason, Julian, Stihl84, what are the facts?

1. Was the recoil on this new saw swapped with an older faded out piece?

2. Was the circlip replaced with a used and modified one?

3. Was a badly worn washer placed behind the circlip for some reason?

4. Was the wrist pin bearing replaced in this new saw with an aftermarket part, not disclosed and excused as worn until asked by the saw owner?

5. I've seen some of Jason's threats myself, as posted earlier. There's no getting around that.

Jason, I'm not accusing you by asking here. If these accusations are false, then clear your name.

Julian, I'm in no way saying these accusations aren't true. However, this thread has no merit at all without this information.

Again, in no way am I taking sides. It seems that no one wants to focus on the real issues, so here it is.

 

[Stihl84]

Recoil is fine black lines smeared when I got it back but I noticed they come off easy. There were two saws packaged together so probably happened during shipping. The washer and e clip looked to be wore seeing that the rest of the saw is pretty well mint. These are petty items that I didn't bother to bring up to Jason.

 

[blsnelling]

Recoil is fine black lines smeared when I got it back but I noticed they come off easy. There were two saws packaged together so probably happened during shipping. The washer and e clip looked to be wore seeing that the rest of the saw is pretty well mint. These are petty items that I didn't bother to bring up to Jason.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Stihl84]

Jason has offered to send me new parts before. I have no doubt that if I asked to send me a new washer, eclip and Stihl bearing he would.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Speak up @dolmarkid

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Personally.......I feel like a lot of this stuff has been blown way outta proportion.

We all make mistakes. Period.

Hell, I'm way behind my own schedule. I'm sure people are sick of waiting on me. Could I do better? Of course.

I think we can all do better......

Maybe it's time to move on?

Im bad at letting things go , i have to sweat , bleed and freeze for my money so when someone's neglegence and ignorance costs me unnecessary amounts of money i don't like it.

People use the term "mistake" as a cop out sometimes.

My friends wife just cheated on him...the guy that nailed her said it was a mistake , i guess he just tripped one day and his pecker got stuck in her..oh well...it was just a mistake...maybe someday ill learn to let people screw me and have an "oh well" attitude.

I don't buy it.