Race Chain

[Jacob J.]

Howdy Bob, theman, everyone-

I think the reason a lot of members of this site defend Art Martin adamantly is because many of them have met Art in person and he has supplied them with a lot of knowledge regarding race chains and chain maintenance in general. Theman did touch a few sore spots but that strictly due to his lack of social skills ( the use of requicent terms "dude" and "man, I was trying to such&such" ) and not the questioning of Art's accomplishments.

If you gentleman would refer back to Art's lengthy post on the Art [of] ( Martin ) of making race chains, you'll see that he is providing the general public on this forum with information that is not readily available anywhere else. You won't find many people in this world that will share that information the way Art has. Art also has something not many of us have either- decades of experience.

I've been in the woods a long time and I know from personal experience that Art's techniques are proven and reliable. As I mentioned before, I've met some of the gentleman "theman" mentioned, including Hollis Baughman, who actually taught me how to hand file square ground chain, in a fire camp in 1994. Bob, if you're interested in chain filing and not bull, check out some of the posts on chain grinding and filing here that were made by Art and try the techniques out. I'll bet you'll find out they work and work well.

 

[Crofter]

Not that Art Martin needs any defending but if there is anyone with technically better chain filing methods, they sure aren't making them available the way Art so unselfishly has. He sure as heck doesn't do it with smoke and mirrors and you wont either!
I'd guess there is someone here that is not acting in good faith. Lets not give them too much satisfaction.

Frank

 

[Gypo Logger]

Speaking of flippin' out, I really flipped today, and why wouldn't I? In fact, I have been flippin' out alot lately. Is it something you want to talk about?
Frank's Planks

 

[tony marks]

theman. giving u the benefit of a doubt...
if u believe these racers,, are just going to tell u their secrets. i believe u might be wrong. i can just see somebody walkin up to say gibbs or rousch who are nascar team owners ,and asking them to tellum about who made their cars better.
u would get name ,rank and car make[pontiac ,ford chevy etc]... that being rite before some big mechanic throws u out the back door.now,, u been fussed at enough ,,but these fellas a pretty good bunch. just start over brother ,u probably be alrite. and i guarantee u will have the opportunity to learn more than u know now. jmo

 

[sawracr]

Ah, Ego its what makes logging sports !!! I have had the pleasure of using and learning some of Art's tallent, and I can tell you it has not hurt me a bit. The day he saw me and my brother competing for the first time he was looking at some real duffers, but mind you was willing to help, that is why people become defensive.
When Art was competing on a regular basis it was in and from the Fort Bragg area, so (the man) understand that there are some who learned from the master, that now want bragging rights, and Willits is just a hop, skip and a jump from the old stomping grounds.
Thanks Art.
Jon

 

[Dennis]

ok I finally got back online here with some comp revamps...

is it Noel or Nole?......if that is your real name (either one)???...I have read and reread this thread several times...

You have come across wrongly, whether you intended it or not, and still seem to think you are in the right....lets pretend for one second that Art's chains aren't fast....can you name one other man with such knowledge, that has given information so freely?? Or been so helpful to newcomers learning to file?? I have been to his house, drank wine from his cup, and filed with his files...(albeit I still don't file well, but that is my own doing)...

Art's accomplishments speak for themselves...are you the guy that wants 6 and 7 hundred dollars for a chain? trying to feel us out?...whats the deal here??

I would also like to know why your, and "oldgrowth" 's IP addresses are identical......neither of you have responded to my emails....hmmmm

Art does not owe you an apology, learn some manners or take your paints back to the kindergarten teacher.

 

[Jacob J.]

I think "old growth" lives under "theman's" porch and slipped out long enough to use his computer to make sure that we know guys in Northern California are interested in "chain filing and not bull".

 

[choppermom]

hey guys,
i was just browsing through this site and saw the comment about the women from the small town that Mr. Martin was speaking of just happens to be my home town and i was highly offended, as were my parents and sisters. I personally know Mr. Martin he and my father were friends when he lived in this small town that my parents still live in. My senior year in high school his son Gary and myself won the jack&jill in a little show put on my the ag. class at our school. As for the filing ability of anyone else all i know right now my younger brother is currently supplying alot of winning chains for the top competitors out on the circuit, as for the comments from the man he may not know how to be diplomatic about his questions or responses and as for info on the net anyone can tell you anything and it may or may not be true. My son is currently starting his what i hope will be a long successful endeavor into the timbersports world being guided by some of the best like Jim Taylor, Mike Forrester, David Bolstadt, Roland Eslinger, just to name a few and if i left anybody out it is unintentional and all the guys who have given him pointers so far have been greatly appreciated. In closing my statement i just want to say the real men never left this small town.

 

[Art Martin]

Choppermom,

I remember you well, Ruth. The training in my back yard after school must of payed off since you and Gary blew everyone away. You were a good cross-country as well.
Glad to hear your son is is interested in timbersports. If he needs any assistance let me know. For instance, I invented a crosscutting training piece of apparatus that allows year around training without using logs. I loaned it to Jim Taylor for a year and to others. It works on a progressive method and will guarantee at least 20 percent gain above just sawing logs. I'm getting it back soon because it's been out on loan.

best regards,
Art Martin

 

[choppermom]

I will have pics later this evening of my jack and jill partner, Melvin Lentz, along with some other ones of my dad, my brother, and my young son.

as for your memories of all my training in your back yard, my name is not ruth and no one beat your son gary and myself and i never ran cross country. As for my son and his training i think i will keep him where is at. As for your comment about the women from this small town i kind of expected an apology from a person of your supposed stature. As not only am i proud that i have been able to travel all over the country and still be able to come back to our little town where alot of things have changed but alot still remains the same,so is the rest of our family.

 

[chainsawworld]

race chain? let me see:

 

[Jacob J.]

Is this "choppermom" person the same as "theman" and "oldgrowth"? Man, some people really turn into freaks on the internet.

 

[choppermom]

This pic is of my son at a show in Mrytle Creek, OR last month with Rolin Eslinger helping him out.

 

[choppermom]

Mrytle Creek, OR.........Choppermom and Son

 

[ClearH20Scott]

Why are you jumping Arts sh!t?
Be reasonable, and take what he has to say in kind.
I am very far away from what you folks know, but hate to see
someone who is so well respected, lambasted, on the back side
by someone who wants to represent themselves as a so called
pillar of Western saw racing without giving Art a second chance
to redeem himself. As if that were even necessary. If he's wrong
calling you Ruth, then, give him your proper name, don't just say
he's wrong about everything. Go away.

Sorry all, Momma's about to pop.

Where are the pictures/documents you said you'd post later this
evening?

 

[choppermom]

Choppermoms son placing second to Dennis Cahoon who uses chains filed by Choppermoms brother, this was his first time running this saw

 

[choppermom]

Choppermom (LISA FALES) sawing with Mel Lentz in Albany

 

[choppermom]

This is my son with David Bolstad coaching him with his chopping at Fort Bragg

 

[choppermom]

This is a picture of my dad falling a big redwood in Usal, Ca.

 

[Dennis]

Welcome to the site Tommy Fales Jr. (theman, oldgrowth) and Lisa (tommys sister), welcome also.

Tommy, it appears you are still upset about not being able to beat Gary Richards (a railroad man), because of Arts help to Gary.

If you read the posting guidelines, you will notice harrassment of other members is not allowed, and you will be banned.

Now if your chain is as good as you say it is, why not enlighten us with your techniques as Art has so gratefully done??

Could you supply pictures, with the filing techniques as well?

I have heard alot of good things about your Dad from Art, hope you follow in his footsteps.