rookie question

[legendrider]

what is the safest syste to climb as a begginner. I know the closed system and open system. is a cow tail the same thing as a split tail. i know a few hitches Blake Prusik and Taughtline. I like the Taughtline i guess im a dinosaur before i got started lol.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Don't feel bad... I don't!!!

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12211

 

[wiley_p]

One reason why I teach new climbers the split tail first is when recrotching the line its less work, which frees the brain for o9ther tasks.

 

[NickfromWI]

Agreed. Start on split tail. Skip tautline at least. The Blakes hitch might be worth a vist for a little bit...but not for too long!

love
nick

 

[MasterBlaster]

If ya'll have another hitch that you can tie with one hand, bring it on!

:angel:

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
If ya'll have another hitch that you can tie with one hand, bring it on!

:angel:

Uh.... you can tie the VT with one hand, it aint the fastest but it is doable. Maybe a distsel and swabish, I will have to check on those, but i bet so.

 

[NeTree]

What's wrong with al leats learning how to tie and climb on the tautline?

Start there, when you've got it down pat, learn a new one. Keep learning, and you'll keep having fun.

JMHO

 

[dbeck]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
If ya'll have another hitch that you can tie with one hand, bring it on!

some people must tie hitches either behind the back or while hanging on to the tree so they they don't slip?

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by dbeck

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
If ya'll have another hitch that you can tie with one hand, bring it on!

some people must tie hitches either behind the back or while hanging on to the tree so they they don't slip?

Huh?


When you untie your friction hitch you are to be tied in with the lanyard. Never depending on your self to hold the line with one hand and tie with the other.


Does that answer your question?

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

IMO a new climber should start on a "fixed tail" old school system. As few pices in the way of learning to trust the gear as possible.

Tie the climbing line right to the center D ( anchor or whatever, I use double Half Hitches) . No snap, no carabiner, one one not that can go wrong.


Taughtline is pretty safe for a beginer to tie, Blakes has the suislide variant.

Anything else has too many variables, they are learning to trust the gear, they should not really be in a tree they need to recrotch in.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by Lumberjack
Huh?


When you untie your friction hitch you are to be tied in with the lanyard. Never depending on your self to hold the line with one hand and tie with the other.

Hmmmm... I'll have to scold myself about that!

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

i go with JP, except with a snap, to snap to saddle, throw wieght etc.

"Stay one with the tree" should be your mantra, and never dis-connected i go with. My mini-JP lanyard of 19', has given more options to that. Sometimes when retying in, in addition to lanyard or sling hold, i'll tighten the line and stand on it, to use the stabilizing support, lil-safer and sometimes more comfort, while i lace up, then loosen that stepped on line slightly and link up the hitch to the carabiner.

 

[MasterBlaster]

I'm talking mainly about that first 10, 15, 20 foot pull. OSHA probably wouldn't like it.

For that matter, I don't either!

 

[dbeck]

Originally posted by Lumberjack
Huh?


When you untie your friction hitch you are to be tied in with the lanyard. Never depending on your self to hold the line with one hand and tie with the other.


Does that answer your question?

You missed my sarcasm...I understand the aspects of safety while aloft. I would never do what you described above. what I don't understand is how one can rate a hitch on whether or not you can tie it w/ one hand or not!


why can't I get the qoutes to show like everyone else?

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by dbeck

Originally posted by Lumberjack



why can't I get the qoutes to show like everyone else?

Open and close the quote with the quote tags still attached.

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by dbeck

Originally posted by Lumberjack
Huh?


When you untie your friction hitch you are to be tied in with the lanyard. Never depending on your self to hold the line with one hand and tie with the other.


Does that answer your question?

You missed my sarcasm...I understand the aspects of safety while aloft. I would never do what you described above. what I don't understand is how one can rate a hitch on whether or not you can tie it w/ one hand or not!


why can't I get the qoutes to show like everyone else?

You gotta end it with a [ / quote ]
Without the spaces tho

Coulnt tell. just playin it safe I would hope not.

Or you could just click quote and take out what you dont want. Thats what i do.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by dbeck



why can't I get the qoutes to show like everyone else? [/B]

Sorry, the last one was wrong, this one is right.

 

[murphy4trees]

Hey MB,
The thing about a nice french prussic is you can tie once on the ground and never have to retie it while aloft... You caould actually leave it on all day and never have to retie it on 10 trees if you like... So you can save that one handedness for other activities...
I though we went over this in the tautline appreciation thread... apparently it didn't stick...

I think it's OK to teach both the split tail and the traditional tail with a Blake... You want them to see the advantages of the split tail and yet be able to tie in with the standing end of their rope when a 2nd TIP is necessary.

 

[MasterBlaster]

I jes don't like that name of that knot, Daniel.

 

[rumination]

New climbers must learn the basics first (tautline or blakes with no snaps, biners, split tails). All climbers should know the fundamentals of how to climb in a tree with only a rope and a saddle, for safety's sake. Once they got those basic concepts down then they can (and should) expand their repertoire.