Rope questions

[jaymay75]

Thanks for all the input. I've been looking at that Stable Braid 3/4. That pretty much looks unbreakable. How much stronger is it than the other ropes you have been talking about. How would I find out the other strength of the other ropes. Sherill writes this big article about every rope they have, but they don't tell me the most important part. How much can I load it without it screwing up my day.

All I will be using this rope for is for pull lines. I won't be doing any climbing. Not sure if my 6'1'' 260lb frame is built for much climbing anyhow. I'm a pretty big guy, but not fat. Big is good for a lot of things, but not too efficient when 60' off of the ground. ha ha.

Although, I'd love to climb one day. It looks really interesting. I'd love to take a class or something. Be pretty cool to be high up in a tree and be safe.

 

[NickfromWI]

Jaymay, was that rope polyester or polypropylene? That woulda made a big difference.

love
nick

 

[BigJohn]

I think you mike be smaller than JPS. Myself at 6'4" 215 I don't see my size slowing down so much that people talk. The size of mouth or the words that come out get people rouled up though. But thats just entertainment for me.

 

[NeTree]

Jay? Bigger guys than you climb quite well.



Everyone else:

Consider this in your ArborPlex argument:

Come-along in tree. Come-along can put 4,000# of tension on line. Wind picks up. Tree can easily put another 2,000# of tension on line. There's 6,000# already.

Not much of a 10:1 safety factor, is it?

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

If you are using 4000 pounds of pull to tip over a tree, you will want much heavier stuff than a come-a-long and 1/2" climbing rope. My work truck doesn't weigh 4000 pounds!

 

[SilverBlue]

5/8 stablebraid is what you want, consider a splice as well and get a Sherrill steel block plus an eye sling and your all set for a long time.

 

[NeTree]

Must be a real light work-truck... a Matchbox?

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Dodge ram van. Total piece of crap, never buy a dodge. transmission needs synthetic oil change every 12000 miles and still go out after about 50,000 miles. Front end needs new parts about once a month.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Originally posted by SilverBlue
5/8 stablebraid is what you want, consider a splice as well and get a Sherrill steel block plus an eye sling and your all set for a long time.

Yeah, sounds like he needs a throw ball too.

 

[jaymay75]

SilverBlue,
Why the 5/8 stablebraid vs. 3/4 stablebraid when the 3/4 isn't that much more. Or is the 3/4 just overkill.

 

[jaymay75]

Big John,
Where at in PA are you located?

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Bigger ropes harder to pull up the tree, tie knots, wind up, and put away.
How about some Black Widow?

 

[Stumper]

Jaymay, I wouldn't recommend 3/4 inch Stable Braid to any part-timer. It is enormously strong but also heavy and inconvenient to work with in the normal course of tree work. If you are going to lay out the $$ for Stable Braid then 1/2 in, 9/16 or 5/8 at mostwould be my choice. Regarding Eric's comments about overloading 1/2 Arborplex.-It can be done but the average tree being removed weighs less than 5K. We don't need to pick it up either,rather we want to apply a few hundred pounds of force high in the tree for steering force and to iniate folding in a proper hinge. Pulling trees should never involve shockloading. Steady pulling only. TRY to break Arborplex with a steady pull! A 3/4 ton truck with 1000 lbs loaded on the bed will break traction on a dry surface before you break the rope. I don't recommend abusing rope like that in the course of doing work but want to make a point-If you are using tag lines in reasonable ways breakage is not really a concern unless we are placing extreme pulls on extreme trees.:angel:

P.S. 3/4 inch Stable braid has the strength to brek trees but that isn' the best way to get them down.

 

[BigJohn]

Jay, I am out here on the other side of the state near philly.

 

[SilverBlue]

Originally posted by jaymay75
SilverBlue,
Why the 5/8 stablebraid vs. 3/4 stablebraid when the 3/4 isn't that much more. Or is the 3/4 just overkill.

As Mike says it's easier to work with and plenty strong enough. And yes do get a throw ball and some line

 

[jaymay75]

Sounds good. Yes I do need a throwline. Didn't even know they sold such a thing before I found this site. I've been using a heavy angle bracket and spool of tie down line (like when you go to Home Depot and they tie your load down with) which frays constantly. Actually, I made it work, but it just takes a hell of a lot longer to attach a rope, especially in pine. Also, if you get a snag, you have to watch you don't yank it back at your noggin.


Big John, sorry about living in Philly. just kidding. My now wife (just married last month) used to live in Philly and I don't know how many times I did the Pittsburgh to Philly trip when we first started dating. If I don't ever make it to Philly again I'll die a happy man, just because of how many times I had to drive there. Although, I wouldn't mind at all if you sent me a cheesteak every now and then.

 

[jaymay75]

So I shouldn't be able to break 1/2 stable braid, or any other high quality rope with a truck, a come along, or that big ass electric cranking winch that my father has for pulling cables through conduit. Give that I don't shock load it or nick it, etc.

Plus the rope can be used if I ever would want to cimb.

 

[SilverBlue]

No sir you don't want to climb on a bull rope.Otherwise people will talk...

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

If you go to Samson's website, there are breaking strengths listed. 1/2" Stable braid is like 9000 pounds, if memory serves me.

 

[geofore]

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Originally posted by jaymay75
So I shouldn't be able to break 1/2 stable braid, or any other high quality rope with a truck, a come along, or that big ass electric cranking winch that my father has for pulling cables through conduit. Give that I don't shock load it or nick it, etc.

Plus the rope can be used if I ever would want to cimb.

Don't mix up the rope you climb on with the rope you pull stumps with, not a good idea. Your life depends on your climbing line being in good shape. The dynamic loads you put on your pulling rope weaken it and it's not easy to tell when you overload it too much and tear it up inside. Keep one rope to climb on seperate from all the ropes you use to do other things. Inspect your ropes every time you use them.