Rotary Brand Saw Chain?
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"Ah" now I know it's you that's putting the saw chain manufactures out of business Between you & "Philbert will close down the saw chain makers
I probably only own around 40 or 50 loops. If @Philbert cleaned out garage I bet he could shut down Blount for a few days at least.
Some people have a wine cellar . . .
Philbert
Philbert
Little Al
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Well that depends. If you are a CAD sufferer you are doing pretty well. If you use saws for a business you better stock up!
Little Al
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I may be WAY too late to reply here, but your Rotary chain is manufactured by a company named E&S. Their chains "resemble" the Oregon chains for the most part. They haven't figured out how to grind cutters properly. Chain is always way too hookey.
Little Al
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Most of the Oregon , Carlton, Windsor products are produced as various components in the same factory's all owned by Blount. Every one is entitled to their opinion but I think the quality of the various brands all owned by a single company would be very similar for a similar price point.
This is one of the key challenges that all manufacturers face - maintaining uniform quality ('quality control', 'quality assurance', Six Sigma, ISO xxxx, etc.) across a product line, between production runs, at different locations, etc., so that their customers can expect consistent product performance.
There will always be variation: that is fundamental to materials and processes. But a well run company will keep these variations within acceptable control limits, and most of us will never notice them.
I had an interesting conversation with an engineer of a (non-chainsaw) company that manufactures products in the US and China. He stated that there was a big difference between companies that own or control their own factories overseas, compared to companies that contract out products to overseas vendors. That difference was in the ability to maintain standards, tolerances, practices, etc. It it why people don't complain about the quality of iPhones made in China as much as some 'no-brand' tool or part clone sold on eBay.
Some companies contract out their products to different vendors, or change vendors periodically, so the quality and performance may vary between purchases. It's not technically difficult to stamp out the components of saw chain, but challenging to maintain consistency over millions (billion?) of tiny parts.
If someone purchases Rotary (or Archer, or Tri-link, etc.) chain and is happy with the performance, that is the bottom line. Personally, when I can buy Oregon or Carlton chain for the same price, my personal preference (bias?) is to choose those brands. I don't understand paying more for 'Power Care" (Tri-Link) chain at The Home Depot, when I can get Oregon or Carlton for less via other vendors, watching for sales, etc.
Philbert
Little Al
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For some reason I have always found (when available ) the Windsor chain produced in the Belgium factory to be better than the Canadian produced product. All Windsor kit seemed NLA in France,but now seems to have returned with a bang,& Carlton seems now to be Blount's NLA product in SW France.
I have not seen new Windsor chain chain offered for sale here in the US for a l-o-o-o-n-g time. Thought that they discontinued the brand, but maybe offering it as a specialty or niche product for some markets.
I have a bunch of old Sandvik-Windsor chain!
Philbert
I have a bunch of old Sandvik-Windsor chain!
Philbert
Tenderfoot
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If you look it up, A J Thomas parts or something similar carries it in a white and blue box. I found it recently looking. No idea if it is the 'real' Windsor stuff or not.
Tried Googling 'Windsor saw chain' Found it at Bailey's!!! But following link, "We're sorry, this product is no longer available. "
Found it on some other sites, eBay, etc.
Curious if this is just rebranded Oregon chain, or if there are significant differences, or maybe some (e.g. eBay) is just 'new-old-stock' (NOS)?
Philbert
Found it on some other sites, eBay, etc.
Curious if this is just rebranded Oregon chain, or if there are significant differences, or maybe some (e.g. eBay) is just 'new-old-stock' (NOS)?
Philbert
Tenderfoot
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Who knows? Ive kind of come to the conclusions I am happy getting the Carlton Semi Chisel A1EP and the Oregon 72LGX and that covers all my needs. The Chinese stuff works, but those work too. If someone didnt tell me what brand the semi chisel was I could not tell the difference running. Id have to look at the tie straps.
Don't quote me but I don't think the Windsor you buy new now is the same as the old stuff. I have some old stock.
I ordered a few loops of 3/8" LP off of Ebay thinking I was going to get Archer (PMD), or E&S, but what I got was some original Windsor chain (pre-Blount). I saved it because, well, I worked for Windsor for 15 years.
Are you sure Rotary chain is made by E&S. I think you will find it made by The Rotary Corporation in Georgia USA. As well as making bars sprockets and saw chain for all types of chain saws, they are a big company with a European headquaters in Germany. USA is their main HQ.
If you are in the UK and want some chain I can reccommend a supplier.
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Looks like chain saw chain is like a box of chocolates we never know what we’re going to receive. Right? For only $11 great for cutting near fence lines and old forts built by kids.(nails). When I had the business I bought accessories wholesale. The retail price was 100% mark up over whole sale. Then they had specials like 3/8” / .375 chain 050 ga 60dl for $6. Oregon. I’m talking 30 years ago. I don’t use cheaper brands of saw chain on the larger power heads. One they won’t last long, second my 2100’s snap good 3/8” chain in frozen wood. One must be careful.
I been away from cutting for a while. But the new modern saw chain has improved. The older chains showed signs where the grinding wheel stopped at the bottom of the gullet. The first filing I’d take this imperfection out. Buckin Billy Ray Smith calls it filing the gullet. It actually gives the wood chip room to curl up and exit. But every new saw chain I look at today has most of the gullet done much better. When I was in the bizz every wood chip was a dollar sign. Time is money.
I been away from cutting for a while. But the new modern saw chain has improved. The older chains showed signs where the grinding wheel stopped at the bottom of the gullet. The first filing I’d take this imperfection out. Buckin Billy Ray Smith calls it filing the gullet. It actually gives the wood chip room to curl up and exit. But every new saw chain I look at today has most of the gullet done much better. When I was in the bizz every wood chip was a dollar sign. Time is money.
Huskybill
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I did notice the cheaper sprocket nose bars the sprocket isn’t prelubed. Seeing this I wonder if the cheaper saw chains aren’t prelubed too? Maybe it’s time to pre soak the new chains in bar oil?
