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TBH I've kind of resisted asking for views/ideas here as I know you'll all encourage me and really I know I don't need a bigger saw, its just this ****** ash which is a bit bigger and problematic!

OK, situation as you know is I get my wood from a nearby tree guy. The ash I've been battling came from another source and I won't use that again. What I get from the usual source is all clean, and if its big diameter rings (I've had upto about 24" oak) he has already ringed it short (shorter than I'd ring it myself) so the saw only comes out to buck smaller diameter stuff. The largest I deal with is normally about 12 to 14" and the ms180 copes fine. Things get more painful when i get a super knotty bit. These get put to one side and then as the pile grows i get the saw out and cut them up, and but the ms180 copes and (Ash aside) its only a few pieces a year so slow cutting isn't so bad...but the Ash has been more work and that makes me think about a bigger saw. Hence the idle browsing of ebay. I did consider a new but cheaper saw and you may have seen me asking questions about the mccolloch version of the poulan pro 5020 over in the 'saw forum. We don't get poulan here but do get muccolloch. however it isn't a strong or supported brand here so I've gone cold on that. Instead I've started to look for a second hand stihl capable of pulling an 18" bar ok. Not knowing the saws well my research is watch ebay, see what the different saws go for and check the specs. I've seen 034 go as low as £85 up to about £250+ with little reasoning regarding condition that i could see. I suspect it was more down to location and the vagaries of ebay auctions. I started looking at , 034s,034AV Supers, ms340s, and moved to browse bigger saws like 036s and 038s just to see if they were cheaper through some weird quirk. Even looked at some 440s. As far as I can tell there is a leap in price for the 440/044 but the 038s aren't much more than the 034s, I'm watching a user refurbished 038AVS with a buy it now of £266 after postage (seller says new seals and gaskets, piston and pot in good condition, excellent compression and photos appear to back that up). My gut says that is a bargain, but my head says i don't need it so I've not hit 'buy it now'. Awkwardly I don't have the time for project saw yet don't want to risk more cash on an ebay purchase where I can't check the saw out myself before bidding.

Dancan do you have a Hutzl/Famertec saw? I came across the kits on ebay and although it seems naughty with 660 kits at about 25% of the real item it looks interesting. I googled and found youtube reviews plus read the various threads in the saw forum on the 440 kits and other kits. Clearly there are both fans and haters. My intuition says the alloys and plastics won't be good quality, the qc won't be there, and unless you're lucky the saw won't last and could be a frustrating experience. However I'm still intrigued.

So currently I idly browse and I've put some pretty low ball bids in on a few 034/034avs saws, if i get lucky in a semi 'you suck!' kind of way then great, but in the meantime I use patience and the ms180 and watch the pile of ash go down...I've done 3/4 of it.
How much wood do you use per year? That's the question. that little Stihl will be a good saw for smaller wood. A 50cc would be a good compliment to it. I own a poulan 5020 and have cut several 30" plus trees with it. It's not a pro Stihl or husqvarna but is a good runner and feels good in my hands. Good bang for the buck especially with a loop of good chisel chain. This site is full of chainsaw enthusiasts who will tell you to get an eighty cc monster and have it ported. Lol. But a lot of homes are heated by guys swinging wild things and old homelites and homeowner saws from the big names. Whatever you wind up getting, just remember that not only do you need more than one saw, but you deserve it!!
 
Back in the day, Stihl Dealers were discouraged from selling Pro Level saws to individuals who were not Pros. They were considered too dangerous, and there were litigation concerns.

Homeowners were to be guided toward the more mild mannered saws!

Unintended kickback from a powerful saw was a major concern.
 
New to me splitting tire.

Was sitting on a pile at a tire dealer (got their OK). Not too big; lawn tractor tire that had seen better days. Extra wide (tall) to keep the splits in. Takes up less space / lighter than an auto tire.

Modded it: drilled drainage holes all around. Cut out the bead to fit larger diameter rounds or groups of small rounds.

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Philbert
 
TBH I've kind of resisted asking for views/ideas here as I know you'll all encourage me and really I know I don't need a bigger saw, its just this ****** ash which is a bit bigger and problematic!

OK, situation as you know is I get my wood from a nearby tree guy. The ash I've been battling came from another source and I won't use that again. What I get from the usual source is all clean, and if its big diameter rings (I've had upto about 24" oak) he has already ringed it short (shorter than I'd ring it myself) so the saw only comes out to buck smaller diameter stuff. The largest I deal with is normally about 12 to 14" and the ms180 copes fine. Things get more painful when i get a super knotty bit. These get put to one side and then as the pile grows i get the saw out and cut them up, and but the ms180 copes and (Ash aside) its only a few pieces a year so slow cutting isn't so bad...but the Ash has been more work and that makes me think about a bigger saw. Hence the idle browsing of ebay. I did consider a new but cheaper saw and you may have seen me asking questions about the mccolloch version of the poulan pro 5020 over in the 'saw forum. We don't get poulan here but do get muccolloch. however it isn't a strong or supported brand here so I've gone cold on that. Instead I've started to look for a second hand stihl capable of pulling an 18" bar ok. Not knowing the saws well my research is watch ebay, see what the different saws go for and check the specs. I've seen 034 go as low as £85 up to about £250+ with little reasoning regarding condition that i could see. I suspect it was more down to location and the vagaries of ebay auctions. I started looking at , 034s,034AV Supers, ms340s, and moved to browse bigger saws like 036s and 038s just to see if they were cheaper through some weird quirk. Even looked at some 440s. As far as I can tell there is a leap in price for the 440/044 but the 038s aren't much more than the 034s, I'm watching a user refurbished 038AVS with a buy it now of £266 after postage (seller says new seals and gaskets, piston and pot in good condition, excellent compression and photos appear to back that up). My gut says that is a bargain, but my head says i don't need it so I've not hit 'buy it now'. Awkwardly I don't have the time for project saw yet don't want to risk more cash on an ebay purchase where I can't check the saw out myself before bidding.

Dancan do you have a Hutzl/Famertec saw? I came across the kits on ebay and although it seems naughty with 660 kits at about 25% of the real item it looks interesting. I googled and found youtube reviews plus read the various threads in the saw forum on the 440 kits and other kits. Clearly there are both fans and haters. My intuition says the alloys and plastics won't be good quality, the qc won't be there, and unless you're lucky the saw won't last and could be a frustrating experience. However I'm still intrigued.

So currently I idly browse and I've put some pretty low ball bids in on a few 034/034avs saws, if i get lucky in a semi 'you suck!' kind of way then great, but in the meantime I use patience and the ms180 and watch the pile of ash go down...I've done 3/4 of it.

Yeah, I get all that. But...

You know, I was at the footy last week with a mate of mine and we had a coupla beers. It was a good game, 70,000 people in attendance, and in the end my team won in a thriller. After the second beer, he said to me, "You know, that second beer went down better than the first" And I said, "Yeah, you're right! So it stands to reason....." . I can't actually remember the end of the game, but those extra beers definitely went down better as they went.

Let's be honest. You have a tiny saw. Sure, it's a Stihl which makes it awesome. But still tiny. You need a bigger saw. It stands to reason.

I started out with a 50 odd cc saw - the landowner MS310 Farmboss. Started off liking it, but liked it less over time. It was ok, not great. Didn't necessarily want to start. Couldn't pull a 20 inch bar happily in aussie hardwood. Air filter was stupid. Anti-vibe next to non-existent. Eventually I told Cowgirl I was going to buy some new tyres for the Subaru and went and bought the 460 workhorse as well.

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70-something cc's, way better anti-vibe, easier to start despite being a bigger saw, happy to bash through aussie hardwood. But then I thought ... "Well, if 70cc is that much better than 50cc, it stands to reason that a 90cc ..." . And the Subaru needed some new tyres again anyway.

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Let's face facts. Your wife likes being warm. The heater you've installed looks great. But it doesn't heat itself, it needs fuel. As it happens, the fuel it needs does grow on trees. But since you can't insert a whole tree in the heater, it needs to be cut to size. Cute and lovable as your MS180 is, it can't handle the big stuff. Besides, your wife wants you to be happy. And, it has been scientifically proven beyond all doubt that your wife will be absolutely happy for you to have a bigger saw as long as she doesn't know you bought it.

You know you need it. It stands to reason.

Hey, I think the Subaru needs some new tyres again too...
 
Another way to look at it ....how old are you, how long do plan to live? Are you going to continue cutting and burning wood as long as you can? Get yourself a decent saw and never look back, it should last you a lifetime.

I did and now you guys look to have convinced me I need a log jack....I plan on living a long time and hopefully burn wood till I die.
 
Another way to look at it ....how old are you, how long do plan to live? Are you going to continue cutting and burning wood as long as you can? Get yourself a decent saw and never look back, it should last you a lifetime.

I did and now you guys look to have convinced me I need a log jack....I plan on living a long time and hopefully burn wood till I die.

Damn right you need a log jack (and a bigger saw). Here's Sunday's hot log jack action out at the Lady Farm.

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There's a swag of dead peppermints both standing and downed up there. None of them very big, perhaps 16-18 inches at the base. But they're easy cutting and splitting.

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Lots of smallish peppermints, but all easy work. Probly another couple of cubes, and all done with the workhorse. Just got the word that the Lady Farmer is off the farm in 21 days. Better get cracking if I want more wood. I've been using a semi-chisel chain on it since some of these logs have been sitting in dirt and it is working just fine. I gave it a touch up part way through (the chain, not the Lady Farmer) but peppermint is soft enough that it doesn't matter that much. Nice BTUs all the same.
 

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Lol at Cowboy and Kiwibro! and THIS is why I'd resisted asking for you guys comments :laugh:

You are right with what you say, the ms180 is ickle biddy. 30cc, 1.4kW (1.9 bhp). I thought it awesome and stood open mouthed as i first cut wood with it. But now, although I still love it to bits, there are times when I look at a bigger piece of hardwood that needs noodling through a crotch and my heart sinks. However this is surely just CAD symptoms!

How much wood do you use per year? That's the question. that little Stihl will be a good saw for smaller wood. A 50cc would be a good compliment to it. I own a poulan 5020 and have cut several 30" plus trees with it. It's not a pro Stihl or husqvarna but is a good runner and feels good in my hands. Good bang for the buck especially with a loop of good chisel chain. This site is full of chainsaw enthusiasts who will tell you to get an eighty cc monster and have it ported. Lol. But a lot of homes are heated by guys swinging wild things and old homelites and homeowner saws from the big names. Whatever you wind up getting, just remember that not only do you need more than one saw, but you deserve it!!

See now the voice of reason. Remember I'm in south London, its not the back of beyond, I'm on mains gas. I have an icle biddy saw to match my ickle biddy stove (which reminds me, I need to post a finished install picture for you all). Its 5kW nominal, 7 max (5kW= about 19000 btu I think). Installed for ambience but because they cost a lot I wanted to use it a lot, and because bought wood costs more than gas and almost as much as electricity per kW I bought the saw and started scrounging. Quite successfully it seems. First winter and the stove got almost 1200 hours use, house run much warmer (not a single 'I'm cold!' was heard coming from my OH!) and still knocked a good £250 off the gas bill. I went through about 6.5m3 or just under 2 cord for that, mix of hard and soft wood. So ickle stove, ickle wood demands (despite my tightarsery and running it hard!) and hence ickle saw which does quite well. I only run about 4 litres of mix through the saw a year! that's errr....well its 4.54 litres to one of our gallons but our pints a man sized 20 oz to your err 16oz? so about a US gallon. (are you guys ever going to adopt this new fangled metric system btw? it does work quite well). Add to icle wood demands the fact I'm only dealing with arb waste that is already cut fairly small and you can see why my head says the smart thing is just be patient with that occasional bit of big knotty wood.

However I may be smart, I am also a man and subject to man law, so the desire for tools/toys is serious. I bid on a 038AV Super on evilbay last night. Doubt I'll win it, it was a fairly low ball bid and theres 3.5 days to go, but you never know....

ms180 - 30cc - 1.4kW, 038av super - 61cc - 4.4kW hmm, that would be quite a step up.
 
Nice post Niel, keep dropping £ saved and how nice and warm the house is in conversation with the wife.
Then after a while hit her up with .... "love I need a bigger chainsaw.... now I could just buy something cheap of ebay, but I may just be buying someone else's problem. Or I could just go out and buy a nice new one...... what do you think we should do".
See how that goes down ...cause that's pretty much what I did and my mrs said..... "Just buy a good one" :yes: and I did.
The little Stihl will get fried if you push it too hard through big stuff.
I think an 038 would be a pretty good thing if you get it at the right price.
 
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