Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[nomad_archer]

Yea. Because people can't shoot.

Why are you advocating so strongly for smaller calibers at longer hunting ranges? 500 yards for deer in PA is a long, long way and very uncommon. If the shooting range is any indication most deer hunters aren't very good at 100 yards.

 

[nomad_archer]

Anyone have any good ideas on ways to take some scrounged firewood and turn it into an awesome antler mount?

 

[Lowhog]

While we are on hunting here is a buck we took on my farm 2 years ago that dressed out at 245# with a 21 inch inside spread, I missed a bigger one last year in the brush. Also pictures of his grandsons in my ground blind.

 

[nomad_archer]

While we are on hunting here is a buck we took on my farm 2 years ago that dressed out at 245# with a 21 inch inside spread, I missed a bigger one last year in the brush.View attachment 615290 View attachment 615291 View attachment 615292 Also pictures of his grandsons in my ground blind.

Thats a great buck and nice pictures.

 

[svk]

Now I understand why so many places have minimum firearm standards.

Exactly Mike!

Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean it should be. That shot would need all variables to be absolutely perfect. In hunting conditions this is rarely the case.

Folks also kill jaguars with a spear and tigers with a blowgun and a poisoned arrow. Just because something can be done doesn't mean 99.9 percent of hunters should attempt it.

 

[Lowhog]

Thats a great buck and nice pictures.

My Wife and I have been on the farm for 24 years. We have a 1/2 mile of heavy wooded creek bed. A few times I have seen 180 class bucks well over 300 pounds in our fields. Back in the 60's a old timer shot a 196 typical and that was after deductions 2 miles south. #6 or so in the world at the time.

 

[nomad_archer]

My Wife and I have been on the farm for 24 years. We have a 1/2 mile of heavy wooded creek bed. A few times I have seen 180 class bucks well over 300 pounds in our fields. Back in the 60's a old timer shot a 196 typical and that was after deductions 2 miles south. #6 or so in the world at the time.

That's awesome! 196" after deductions is incredible. I think deductions are BS and the Gross is all that matters. Bone is bone. If you have 300lb deer running around that tractor seems like it would be handy getting them out. I'm just imagining getting a 300lb deer 3/4 mile or 1 mile back where I hunt. I'm just tired thinking about it.

 

[svk]

That's awesome! 196" after deductions is incredible. I think deductions are BS and the Gross is all that matters. Bone is bone. If you have 300lb deer running around that tractor seems like it would be handy getting them out. I'm just imagining getting a 300lb deer 3/4 mile or 1 mile back where I hunt. I'm just tired thinking about it.

I agree, should be on total length.

 

[MustangMike]

A stand carefully placed would allow me to see a good ways in a couple directions but sometimes less than 50 yards in others. At those ranges, you can see when a shot is clear.

If you are hunting from a stand with cleared shooting lanes, that is fine. If you are still hunting, and use a scope, you will be oblivious to brush that is close to you, and that is the worst place to hit it. Even at distance, you will not see all the brush.

When you spot that deer 80 to 100 yards away, the clear shooting lane you think you see may not be clear at all. Also, when in my stand, I have taken deer that just did not want to enter my shooting lanes (my 8 point a few years ago is a good example). There may not be any perfect brush buster, but some are better than others, and I like to put the odds in my favor. I know the bullet that took that deer went through the brush because it went in big and exited small, just the opposite of normal. It was the same deer that my Brother shot at with a 270 at 50 yds, 15 minutes earlier, in very thick brush. His bullet hit the shoulder, but did not penetrate. It hit too much brush first. Obviously, this deer liked to stay in the thick stuff, and it was the only way to take him.

 

[woodchip rookie]

Why are you advocating so strongly for smaller calibers at longer hunting ranges? 500 yards for deer in PA is a long, long way and very uncommon. If the shooting range is any indication most deer hunters aren't very good at 100 yards.

In PA you would be careless to shoot at anything living at 500yds regardless of caliber. Over here in the flatlands you can see for miles. I'm not saying you SHOULD take a shot at a deer at 500yds. I'm saying:
1) People make up for their lack of accuracy with power and
2) People don't actually know or realize the power of the caliber they have.
A 270 will blow a hole clean through regular 1/4" thick steel plate at 500yds. I have seen it. I know my rig. I know how to use it. If it were legal to use my 243 in Ohio why would I not use my 243 at any comfortable range I am capable of instead of trying to get within 100yds with a crappy 12ga? If you dont feel comfortable in your abilities then get as close as you can with your shoulder mounted cannon. I would prefer not. A 223 @ 300yds/243 @ 500yds over a 12ga @ 100yds any day all day long.

 

[Lowhog]

I seen the mount in person at his house it was a monster. Roy was a big farm boy 6'4" or so and 240# hands like a basketball player. He tied a rope around the monsters neck after he dressed it out. He went to drag the deer out and all he could do is stretch its neck he couldn't move it.

 

[nomad_archer]

In PA you would be careless to shoot at anything living at 500yds regardless of caliber. Over here in the flatlands you can see for miles. I'm not saying you SHOULD take a shot at a deer at 500yds. I'm saying:
1) People make up for their lack of accuracy with power and
2) People don't actually know or realize the power of the caliber they have.
A 270 will blow a hole clean through regular 1/4" thick steel plate at 500yds. I have seen it. I know my rig. I know how to use it. If it were legal to use my 243 in Ohio why would I not use my 243 at any comfortable range I am capable of instead of trying to get within 100yds with a crappy 12ga? If you dont feel comfortable in your abilities then get as close as you can with your shoulder mounted cannon. I would prefer not. A 223 @ 300yds/243 @ 500yds over a 12ga @ 100yds any day all day long.

First 500 yards in pa isn't impossible or careless in the right conditions. Do I hunt places that offer 500 yard shots? Occasionally. We have farm fields out here. That 500 yard shot under the right conditions with the right shooter really isn't a big deal or careless be it in PA, OH, WV or anywhere really. Lets be honest the best gun to hunt with is the one your are most comfortable with I don't care what caliber it is. A .300 mag or a 223 will work. At extended ranges I will take power and accuracy versus one or the other. How many deer have you shot at extended hunting ranges say 300+ with a 223 or a 243? In ohio you are limited to shotguns, ML, and straight walled rifle cartridges right? So 300+ yards really isnt very possible with those weapons. To me there is a huge difference between ringing steel at long range with a 223, 243 and taking a shot at an animal at similar ranges. I prefer to get as close as possible to the animals I hunt sometimes that is 300 yards, other times it is measured in feet. To each his own.

 

[farmer steve]

Does he hunt with you?

no he likes his treestand at his farm. my brother is there to help him if he needs it.

 

[farmer steve]

That's awesome! 196" after deductions is incredible. I think deductions are BS and the Gross is all that matters. Bone is bone. If you have 300lb deer running around that tractor seems like it would be handy getting them out. I'm just imagining getting a 300lb deer 3/4 mile or 1 mile back where I hunt. I'm just tired thinking about it.

them tractors are good for skinny little does too.

 

[muddstopper]

I would guess my longest shot on a deer was 300yrds, but heck it was dark and I only had a flashlite, any farther and I couldnt have seen it.

 

[svk]

Funny story about deer and big guys.

My dad used to hunt with a couple of fellows and one of their son's was a BIG boy. The first time he threw discuss in a meet he broke the state record. This young fellow shot a doe and had no idea what to do next. My dad heard the shot and figured he would need help so he walked over. Told big Dave to hold the front of the deer up and he actually picked up the entire deer and held it there until my dad got done gutting it out LOL.

 

[Lowhog]

If someone could google - land of the giants whitetail properties and post that link you will see the county I live in is number one in the US for record book bucks. Ottertail Mn.

 

[svk]

If someone could google - land of the giants whitetail properties and post that link you will see the county I live in is number one in the US for record book bucks. Ottertail Mn.

Lots of hog bucks came out of northern MN back before hunting pressure and wolves increased. I think St Louis county was right up there too.

 

[nomad_archer]

no he likes his treestand at his farm. my brother is there to help him if he needs it.

Is that the treestand that you put me in on the rain day last year?

 

[turnkey4099]

them tractors are good for skinny little does too.

Farm tractors are great blinds to sneak up on them too. Dad took his annual one just sitting on the seat. I worked a tractor right up next to one (out of season).