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MechanicMatt
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Looks cast...
Never seen the Ruger in 9, they made a Deerfield.44, action very similar to a M1 M1A1 M14 Mini14.......
I would settle for that rifle too, but I'd prefer the .44 Carbine, I just LOVE the looks of that one It looks like a 10/22 on Steroids
Never seen the Ruger in 9, they made a Deerfield.44, action very similar to a M1 M1A1 M14 Mini14.......
I would settle for that rifle too, but I'd prefer the .44 Carbine, I just LOVE the looks of that one It looks like a 10/22 on Steroids
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That 30-06 is still a 30 cal. It kind of disproves the theory? Branches will jump out and mess up any cal it's just the luck of the draw in the thick stuff. Honestly the rifle you are most comfortable shooting is the one that you should hunt with. My 300 win is that gun for me. I grab it and go.
For heavy brush my dad swears by 1oz rifled slugs out of his 12ga smooth bore. I used that gun to shoot a doe through a 3in diameter sappling and got the deer. Did some brush clearing and deer killing all at the same time.
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MechanicMatt
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I believe with the proper bullet (handload) the .30-06 would do just fine. I've seen and heard of too much about the lil .270 and smaller deflecting. Only once have I failed with my .30-06, since that hunt I've contemplated a 45/70 and .444 and .450
But I realized that had I kept my head and just waited for a better shot (and push his hot hand loads through my classic) I'd have a monster on my wall. I ended up dropping a buck later that day, but the memories of that missed monster still haunt me.
But I realized that had I kept my head and just waited for a better shot (and push his hot hand loads through my classic) I'd have a monster on my wall. I ended up dropping a buck later that day, but the memories of that missed monster still haunt me.
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Pretty sure they were cast that way. Leaving for work in 15 minutes I'll ask him when I get there. He's a pretty handy guy next thing on his list is making his own long bows. I'm taking him some mulberry to try his hand with. He really wants Osage but that's not easy to come by around here.
I have the bicentenial 1776-1976 model and bought the 25ft anniverary edition new. Traded off the anniversary addition without ever firing a shot thru it. I have taken several bear with the 44 carbine, and about as many with my model 29 in 44mag. Makes a great short range brush buster, but shoots like a rainbow at long range
Sorry, it happens every autumn. Please post many pics of scrounged wood and chainsaws!
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James Miller
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Carl is a good fair man who does excellent work. I cannot say what his timeline is right now but I'm sure you'll find him responsive if you send him a PM. This is now the 5th saw that he's either modded, repaired, or sold me so you could say I'm a happy repeat customer.
One of the things that I really like abou Carl is that he tests the saw extensively after mods to make sure it does what it's supposed to. Some other builders just cut a couple cants or simply button it up and mail it back to you. It's nice knowing that potential bugs have already been worked out before it is back in your hands.
Regarding brush guns. The slower a bullet is moving, the less it will deflect but it will still deflect.
Once you get over 400 grains of bullet weight and greater than .45 caliber WITH substantial velocity then it actually starts plowing though brush rather than deflecting. I forget which, but one of the great riflemen of the 20th century did a very comprehensive test of shooting many calibers through brush. All big game chamberings short of elephant guns failed miserably if the target was more than a few feet beyond the piece of brush. The large caliber elephant guns actually "bucked" the brush and were somewhat accurate.
Once you get over 400 grains of bullet weight and greater than .45 caliber WITH substantial velocity then it actually starts plowing though brush rather than deflecting. I forget which, but one of the great riflemen of the 20th century did a very comprehensive test of shooting many calibers through brush. All big game chamberings short of elephant guns failed miserably if the target was more than a few feet beyond the piece of brush. The large caliber elephant guns actually "bucked" the brush and were somewhat accurate.
Although this can mess up the "surprise factor" since videos are usually a part of it lol.
Carls a good guy James.
I have a couple saws he's done and ran quite a few. He's particular about his builds and it shows.
If you need his number let me know.
Here's one of mine
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Re: Brush bucking...
I've read about numerous tests, and done my own testing and thinking, and have concluded:
1) The high velocity light bullet will deflect the most (and loose the most energy) because the hydro static shock of hitting a wet branch is magnified by velocity. Test done with dry kiln dried wood do not accurately reflect hitting a sap filled branch or sapling.
2) The harder a bullet is, the better it will penetrate brush. Furthermore, premium bullets that produce a uniform mushroom (as opposed to softer bullets with a slanted mushroom) are more likely to stay on target. Factory 130 gr 270s will deflect wildly even on very small brush. I fired 3 shots at a deer I had dead to rights and never touched it. Went back the next day and saw were the bullets hit tiny branches that did not show up in my scope, and then found where they had deflected and hit trees. They deflected far worse than I would have ever imagined. Subsequent ballistic testing showed those bullets were soft and developed a slanted mushroom, even in uniform test media.
3) Since 243, 270 and 30-06 all generally have a 1 in 10 twist, the 30 cal will have far more gyroscopic stability based on the increased diameter. If you understand how a gyroscope works, it just makes sense.
4) If you have to penetrate brush, you better have a lot more than the minimum amount of energy needed to harvest your game. IMO, this is where the 30-30 comes up short as being a good brush gun (it is a good, handy, close range gun).
I have found the 30 calibers (06 + 300 Win Mag) loaded with premium bullets (the 300 slightly down loaded or the 06 loaded hot) to be far more effective than the 270 or 270 Win Short Mag similarly loaded (in brushy conditions, for clear shots they are wonderful).
FYI, Full Metal Jacket bullets (even from a 223) do well in bucking brush. But with expanding bullets they do not go straight, and do not have the retained energy to effectively take big game.
I've read about numerous tests, and done my own testing and thinking, and have concluded:
1) The high velocity light bullet will deflect the most (and loose the most energy) because the hydro static shock of hitting a wet branch is magnified by velocity. Test done with dry kiln dried wood do not accurately reflect hitting a sap filled branch or sapling.
2) The harder a bullet is, the better it will penetrate brush. Furthermore, premium bullets that produce a uniform mushroom (as opposed to softer bullets with a slanted mushroom) are more likely to stay on target. Factory 130 gr 270s will deflect wildly even on very small brush. I fired 3 shots at a deer I had dead to rights and never touched it. Went back the next day and saw were the bullets hit tiny branches that did not show up in my scope, and then found where they had deflected and hit trees. They deflected far worse than I would have ever imagined. Subsequent ballistic testing showed those bullets were soft and developed a slanted mushroom, even in uniform test media.
3) Since 243, 270 and 30-06 all generally have a 1 in 10 twist, the 30 cal will have far more gyroscopic stability based on the increased diameter. If you understand how a gyroscope works, it just makes sense.
4) If you have to penetrate brush, you better have a lot more than the minimum amount of energy needed to harvest your game. IMO, this is where the 30-30 comes up short as being a good brush gun (it is a good, handy, close range gun).
I have found the 30 calibers (06 + 300 Win Mag) loaded with premium bullets (the 300 slightly down loaded or the 06 loaded hot) to be far more effective than the 270 or 270 Win Short Mag similarly loaded (in brushy conditions, for clear shots they are wonderful).
FYI, Full Metal Jacket bullets (even from a 223) do well in bucking brush. But with expanding bullets they do not go straight, and do not have the retained energy to effectively take big game.
Now I understand why so many places have minimum firearm standards.
to stay "on topic"my 87 yo dad has been scrounging as long as i can remember. haulin wood in old studebaker pickups,army surplus dodge vans and the occasional rambler station wagon.
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Tell your Dad Congrats! I believe that is an old buck, even past his prime!
Dad thought 4-5 y/o by his teeth. said the heart was huge.
bear1998
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Does he hunt with you?
There really is no “brush gun” imo. For years I hunted an area that had been clear cut and was in the process of regeneration. What a mess! Old slash and trees down, bushes and brambles, skidder ruts a couple feet deep in spots. Be lucky to see 50 feet from the ground. A stand carefully placed would allow me to see a good ways in a couple directions but sometimes less than 50 yards in others. At those ranges, you can see when a shot is clear. Sometimes all you can see is the deer’s head, I like to wait for a good shot. Used such brush calibers as 22-250, 30-30, 25-06. Lol. Always had good luck.
When I first started hunting, a guy I knew was shot by a friend who thought he was a deer. (He wasn’t wearing his orange and paid for it with his arm) Even so you have to wonder how that even happens.... well, your brain will take what you actually see, and fill in the rest. Anyone who hasn’t sat in a stand as the sun rises and is sure there is a deer right behind that bush over there...until the sun comes up a bit more and..oh, it’s just a bush, has and idea how.
Long story but I like a shot to be clear and I’ll let Goliath walk if I don’t like something about the shot.
When I first started hunting, a guy I knew was shot by a friend who thought he was a deer. (He wasn’t wearing his orange and paid for it with his arm) Even so you have to wonder how that even happens.... well, your brain will take what you actually see, and fill in the rest. Anyone who hasn’t sat in a stand as the sun rises and is sure there is a deer right behind that bush over there...until the sun comes up a bit more and..oh, it’s just a bush, has and idea how.
Long story but I like a shot to be clear and I’ll let Goliath walk if I don’t like something about the shot.
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Yea. Because people can't shoot.
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