Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[bigfellascott]

I’m really happy with my 460. Especially after the @MustangMike muffler mod and tuning advice. You really can’t go wrong with either one. If you are a fix it yourself internet parts kind of guy, the dolmar is a good choice. If dealer support is important, Stihl/Husqvarna dealers are everywhere.

Can you tell me more about the muffler mod and tuning advice, I've got a mate with a 460 and it's a bit ordinary to be honest, would be great to get better out of it.

Cheers

 

[MustangMike]

460 advice:
1) Put a HD-2 air filter on it if it does not already have one.
2) Mod the muffler, either put a dp cover on it, or drill 2 - 1/4" holes in the side of the front cover (on right side, above were gas will hit the saw).
3) Remove limiters from carb and adjust 1 turn out on low, and 1 + 1/16 out on HI (fine tune by ear from there).
4) Advance timing by taking .020 off the key (about 6*).

It should run much better after the changes, let me know what you think. They are often not real impressive stock.

 

[James Miller]

So I filed the chain on my buddies POS earlier. Then walked in his house for a minute. This is what I saw when I walked back out. He said it cut good for a second then didn't want to cut. I wonder why!! Needless to say I refused to try and fix the devastation he caused. He did manage to get a 2" cookie off the stump.

 

[bigfellascott]

View attachment 651891 So I filed the chain on my buddies POS earlier. Then walked in his house for a minute. This is what I saw when I walked back out. He said it cut good for a second then didn't want to cut. I wonder why!! Needless to say I refused to try and fix the devastation he caused. He did manage to get a 2" cookie off the stump.

Lol


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[bigfellascott]

460 advice:
1) Put a HD-2 air filter on it if it does not already have one.
2) Mod the muffler, either put a dp cover on it, or drill 2 - 1/4" holes in the side of the front cover (on right side, above were gas will hit the saw).
3) Remove limiters from carb and adjust 1 turn out on low, and 1 + 1/16 out on HI (fine tune by ear from there).
4) Advance timing by taking .020 off the key (about 6*).

It should run much better after the changes, let me know what you think. They are often not real impressive stock.

Thanks for that MM I will pass the info on to him.


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[rarefish383]

View attachment 651891 So I filed the chain on my buddies POS earlier. Then walked in his house for a minute. This is what I saw when I walked back out. He said it cut good for a second then didn't want to cut. I wonder why!! Needless to say I refused to try and fix the devastation he caused. He did manage to get a 2" cookie off the stump.

I have a couple friends like that! Haven't seen them for years. More accurately, they haven't seen me in years. I can still run pretty fast with this bad knee when I want to.

 

[MustangMike]

I have had to explain to a few friends and relatives, a chainsaw is for cutting wood, it is not a farm implement!

In addition, someone (who shall remain nameless) thought is was a good idea to use a brand new (gifted) square file chain for demolition duty, then give it to his Uncle to sharpen ... NOT! Nails make such a mess of the teeth.

 

[James Miller]

I have a couple friends like that! Haven't seen them for years. More accurately, they haven't seen me in years. I can still run pretty fast with this bad knee when I want to.

I have had to explain to a few friends and relatives, a chainsaw is for cutting wood, it is not a farm implement!

In addition, someone (who shall remain nameless) thought is was a good idea to use a brand new (gifted) square file chain for demolition duty, then give it to his Uncle to sharpen ... NOT! Nails make such a mess of the teeth.

He's never had any chainsaw. But I assumed he wasn' that dumb. I told him it wasn't a stump grinder.

Had my own screwup today and dropped the 355t about 10 feet out of a tree. It scuffed up the plastics but otherwise is just fine.

 

[95custmz]

Split a little more scrounged Cherry, today. Splits nice with the Fiskars, nice and dry. The benefit of

a dead standing tree.


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[MustangMike]

I was splitting Cherry + Ash up at the cabin with my X-27 on Mon/Tue, still impressed with how well it works! A couple of old Monster Mauls, which for years were my favorite, have just been collecting dust. Just no reason to swing those heavy dinosaurs any more.

 

[KiwiBro]

So, how much betterer is a well square filed or ground chisel chain compared to a well round ground chisel chain? I've been playing with more hook on round ground chisel chains and how much I can go before the corner in particular won't hold up well and I have to say I'm pretty impressed with what I can get away with on Stihl chisel chain. It's made me want a sqaure grinder a wee bit less and question the practical differences a wee bit more.

 

[rarefish383]

He's never had any chainsaw. But I assumed he wasn' that dumb. I told him it wasn't a stump grinder.

Had my own screwup today and dropped the 355t about 10 feet out of a tree. It scuffed up the plastics but otherwise is just fine.

If you are learning to climb, would you like me to send you a custom made safety lanyard for your saw? Could care less about the 355t, hate to loose good ground men.

 

[James Miller]

If you are learning to climb, would you like me to send you a custom made safety lanyard for your saw? Could care less about the 355t, hate to loose good ground men.

That would be great. I could probably pick it up to save you shipping

 

[MustangMike]

So, how much betterer is a well square filed or ground chisel chain compared to a well round ground chisel chain? I've been playing with more hook on round ground chisel chains and how much I can go before the corner in particular won't hold up well and I have to say I'm pretty impressed with what I can get away with on Stihl chisel chain. It's made me want a sqaure grinder a wee bit less and question the practical differences a wee bit more.

Your question is not clear, but here are the answers: (all else being equal).

Full chisel chain is generally 10-15% faster than semi chisel chain.

Square file is generally 10-15% faster than full chisel chain.

If you sharpen full chisel or square at a sharper angle, it will cut faster but will not last as long.

Shihl chain is generally harder than other brands, so it may be more difficult to sharpen but will last longer.

The steeper angles are generally recommended in softer woods, and vice versa.

Hope this helps.

 

[LondonNeil]

Jeez I'm knackered. 3 and a half tank fulls through the 038super today, blocking up uglies and unsplitables. I haven't used it in months but it ran well generally and reminded me it has a LOT more oomph than my ms180 I did notice 2 bits that I need to look at. First on 2 occasions when saw was shut off, as i squeezed the trigger in order to put the switch to fast idle before yanking the starter i had fuel pee out from somewhere at the front of the trigger area, getting on my fingers and running down the handle. Ideas? what do i need to look at? Also I found the idle speed would wander around somewhat, not just speeding up a little as the saw got warm, more than that. At times slowing down such that it stalled, so I got the screwdriver out and increased it 1/4 turn clockwise, later it sped up again and the chain started creeping..then it slowed, sped up again and , well was just a bit of a pain. I'm guessing i really ought to get round to getting the carb kit and rebuilding it, but anything else i should look at? On the plus side I love the 2in1 file! i can sharpen chains! for a novice sharpener it is sooo easy to use, i can do the 20" loop almost as quick as swapping a spare chain on, and I'm throwing chips and ripping noodles again, wooo who!

I really ought to get round to bolting the 660 together...then i could rip the 038s apart and not be without a big saw...its just running them is more fun when its sunny outside.

 

[KiwiBro]

Your question is not clear, but here are the answers: (all else being equal).

Full chisel chain is generally 10-15% faster than semi chisel chain.

Square file is generally 10-15% faster than full chisel chain.

If you sharpen full chisel or square at a sharper angle, it will cut faster but will not last as long.

Shihl chain is generally harder than other brands, so it may be more difficult to sharpen but will last longer.

The steeper angles are generally recommended in softer woods, and vice versa.

Hope this helps.

Thanks. So, square filed as opposed to round filed chisel chain will be 10-15% faster. Which of those two will hold the sharpness longer when there might be a wee bit, not heaps, of dirt about? I've struck upon some grinding angles (round grinder) for full chisel that seem to hold up well enough and cut at good speeds in the wood I come across. It's made me wonder if I should be coveting a Simington square grinder as much as I used to. I've read some guys say they can tweak the square grind angles to help the edge hold in hard or dirty wood and they still prefer that grind over round ground. I am keen to compare the experiences of those who use the two options for Stihl chisel chain - square and round grinding.

Either that or find someone with a Simington and buy a stihl chisel chain off 'em and compare to my round ground stihl chisel chain to see if I still want a Simington grinder.

Clear as mud?

 

[farmer steve]

Came home from visiting mom today and found this along the driveway. maple scrounge!!!

 

[rarefish383]

That would be great. I could probably pick it up to save you shipping

I just take a piece of rope a little bigger than starter rope. Make a loop on one end and attach it to the handle of the saw, hold the saw out to full arms length, then tie another loop to attach to the clip on my climbing belt. I'm old school and use two tethers, one short one that keeps the saw on my hip while climbing, and the longer one, so I can reach out to arms length. If I drop the saw it will swing down just about to my feet. They make nice bungy ones now, or some guys just snap a big carrabiner on the handle and then snap it to their belt.

 

[rarefish383]

James, check out the Buckingham "chainsaw breakaway lanyard". It's one of the bungy style and has one ring to hold the saw on your hip and another for arms length use. Mine is just a poor mans version of this one.

 

[MustangMike]

Thanks. So, square filed as opposed to round filed chisel chain will be 10-15% faster. Which of those two will hold the sharpness longer when there might be a wee bit, not heaps, of dirt about? I've struck upon some grinding angles (round grinder) for full chisel that seem to hold up well enough and cut at good speeds in the wood I come across. It's made me wonder if I should be coveting a Simington square grinder as much as I used to. I've read some guys say they can tweak the square grind angles to help the edge hold in hard or dirty wood and they still prefer that grind over round ground. I am keen to compare the experiences of those who use the two options for Stihl chisel chain - square and round grinding.

Either that or find someone with a Simington and buy a stihl chisel chain off 'em and compare to my round ground stihl chisel chain to see if I still want a Simington grinder.

Clear as mud?

I believe square files holds an edge just as well as round file, and neither square or full chisel round will cut w/o a good corner. Semi chisel is more durable in dirt, but so slow I would rather re sharpen.

I rarely take a chain off of a saw, and sharpen by hand, so I prefer square. If you use a machine and like round, than be happy. Machines that will do square are generally very expensive.

Round and square can both cut well. The advantage of square is it matches the angles of the tooth. The angle for round perpetually changes. The corner is always most important, after that the side cutter, as it cuts the grains of wood (the top plate is just a chisel to remove chips). With round, the angle of the side plate is an arch, not a straight line.