Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[MustangMike]

The work on the Cabin went well, my friend Harold & I completed what we wanted to do before noon. We were the only vehicle tracks on the 2 mi 4wd road up. Got temporarily stuck in two switchback turns, but backed it up and went forward again both times, and made it up w/o chains, even though the diff was making some lines in the snow.

So we played a little with the guns & saws, and discovered a woodpecker was helping us process the Ash.

The ride home was terrible, freezing rain, and Rte 17 was closed near Liberty due to a bus crash, but we made it, just took longer than usual.

 

[MechanicMatt]

Did it look like anything was living inside the new place?

 

[MustangMike]

No, it was clean! But I want to keep it that way. Was worried about birds (or bats) nesting/living in it in the spring.

A good amount of deer and Snowshoe Rabbit tracks, including deer tracks in our tracks. Also, tracks between the tree and ladder of the ladder stand we moved on the trail.

 

[MustangMike]

U go shooting today, or get rained out?

 

[MechanicMatt]

Rained out. Ice every where untill about 2pm, then lots of rain.

 

[1project2many]

I personally know it won't last...maybe a season? I use oil undercoating for my cars...it builds up a film after a while.

The spray can version is diluted. The stuff we use from the 5 gallon pail stays more than a season. And good for us, no rainbows left on the road when it rains outside. Very important in our case.

If you really want to read about problems with rust, check out what the car guys in India go through during monsoon. Plenty of talk about "washing" the vehicles in diesel fuel on team-bhp. I think I'd rather deal with the salt than the constant high humidity they've got.

 

[steved]

The spray can version is diluted. The stuff we use from the 5 gallon pail stays more than a season. And good for us, no rainbows left on the road when it rains outside. Very important in our case.

If you really want to read about problems with rust, check out what the car guys in India go through during monsoon. Plenty of talk about "washing" the vehicles in diesel fuel on team-bhp. I think I'd rather deal with the salt than the constant high humidity they've got.

Yeah, I had the heaviest body FluidFilm applied to this truck last year, most of the undercarriage was dry this spring. You don't have to tell me about the different weights of it, I've used FluidFilm for a long time and have used pretty much all of them. It has its place, undercoating on a car isn't one of them.

I spray oil once, the dust seals it. Spray it again, and it gets thicker. By the third time, its touch ups. They only drip oil for a couple days...leave it in the driveway. Tractor trailers leak more in a day than I spray on the entire undercarriage.

 

[1project2many]

steved, you seem pretty passionate about not liking FF. Sounds like you have plenty of experience with it, probably more than I. I've been in New England most of my life and I've been fighting rust for a long time. I've also been a mechanic most of my life so the fight is always mine and mine alone.

I know oil can wash off vehicles around here. This is the frame of my Toyota. Six years ago it was needle scaled front to back, painted with Rust-Oleum rusty metal primer, painted again with single stage Urethane, then coated with oil. Five years ago it was coated with oil. Four years ago it was coated with oil. Three years ago it was not coated with oil. Two years ago it was parked and was not coated. There is obviously no oil on the frame now. We get large amounts of rain here in warm seasons and in winter salt is applied to the highways in high enough concentration to kill trees on the side of the road. Oil works while it is intact but it does not stay intact here. Even gear oil can wash off, as it did on this vehicle.



We've had good luck with FF on the the buses. It dries out, yes. But the vehicles are not rusting out like they were before coating, and we're not applying it every year. If that changes or if we don't continue to see good results then I'll stop recommending it. Much of the steel used in building these bodies has no rust protection other than a little paint and a really poor factory undercoat so rust shows up very quickly. Spraying oil on these vehicles is not an option. Even if it were, I'm not interested in annual recoats as I don't have the facility for it. The latest generation of buses can be ordered with a line-x type of undercoat and I really wonder how that's going to turn out. I imagine it will be great until the coating is pierced, then rust is going to eat away at the bus without anyone noticing it.

One thing I've heard of is heating chainsaw bar & chain oil to apply it. I might try it on my own vehicles. It doesn't smell like gear oil and sticks like crazy. The spray cans of chain lube work well but I haven't found 'em for much less than $3.50 a can which adds up when you're doing a complete vehicle.

Mandatory firewood content... I've got a day off so I'm going to head out to the workshop in the barn and burn off more of that Basswood I scrounged last summer.

 

[steved]

steved, you seem pretty passionate about not liking FF. Sounds like you have plenty of experience with it, probably more than I. I've been in New England most of my life and I've been fighting rust for a long time. I've also been a mechanic most of my life so the fight is always mine and mine alone.

I know oil can wash off vehicles around here. This is the frame of my Toyota. Six years ago it was needle scaled front to back, painted with Rust-Oleum rusty metal primer, painted again with single stage Urethane, then coated with oil. Five years ago it was coated with oil. Four years ago it was coated with oil. Three years ago it was not coated with oil. Two years ago it was parked and was not coated. There is obviously no oil on the frame now. We get large amounts of rain here in warm seasons and in winter salt is applied to the highways in high enough concentration to kill trees on the side of the road. Oil works while it is intact but it does not stay intact here. Even gear oil can wash off, as it did on this vehicle.
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We've had good luck with FF on the the buses. It dries out, yes. But the vehicles are not rusting out like they were before coating, and we're not applying it every year. If that changes or if we don't continue to see good results then I'll stop recommending it. Much of the steel used in building these bodies has no rust protection other than a little paint and a really poor factory undercoat so rust shows up very quickly. Spraying oil on these vehicles is not an option. Even if it were, I'm not interested in annual recoats as I don't have the facility for it. The latest generation of buses can be ordered with a line-x type of undercoat and I really wonder how that's going to turn out. I imagine it will be great until the coating is pierced, then rust is going to eat away at the bus without anyone noticing it.

One thing I've heard of is heating chainsaw bar & chain oil to apply it. I might try it on my own vehicles. It doesn't smell like gear oil and sticks like crazy. The spray cans of chain lube work well but I haven't found 'em for much less than $3.50 a can which adds up when you're doing a complete vehicle.

Mandatory firewood content... I've got a day off so I'm going to head out to the workshop in the barn and burn off more of that Basswood I scrounged last summer.

There's part of your problem anyway...Toyota has a standing recall about frame rot due to incorrect nickle content. Bad example. I just oiled my 1997 Subaru last week...the first time in probably three years, it still had an oil/dirt film on it, and it was a daily and winter car.

I have been oil undercoating for 30 years, my dad since he was a kid, my former mechanic grandfather, who knows how long. I've never had a single car rust significantly, let alone rust out.

The guy that did the heavy work on my truck had a love hate relationship with that truck...he hated it because it was incredibly dirty to work under, but he loved it for the fact he knew there was not a bolt he would have to fight loose. He claimed my truck was the only one from PA he worked on that wasn't arust bucket underneath.

The only place FluidFilm works in an automobile is inside panels (ie. doors, rocker panels, tailgates, etc.). Anyplace it sees road spray, it washes off pretty quick. For the price of FluidFilm versus the price of my drain ATF/gear oil/hydraulic fluid; there isn't much comparison.

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[dancan]

Well , I wasn't going to wade in on the undercoat debate ........ But I'm in LOL
Being in a province that has it's 3 and 3/4 corners circled in salt water and with our DOT spreading a nice heavy layer of salt at the look of snow or freeze up , we see rust , most cars around here get scrapped because of rust , 10 years is an old car and if you call a local salvage yard for an 11 yr old car most parts have been crushed , at least LKQ has been bringing up some of your US salvage up here so we can keep our junk on the road , for example , I've got a customer with an 08 Caliber that's undriveable , needs a front and rear subframe because the control arm brackets rotted off .
There's even a few guys up here that have gotten very wealth over the years just selling US gas tanks and truck boxes .
What I've found over the years is that the only product that works is a fluid , non drying product like Fluid Film , if you have Krown or Rust Check down there and I'm sure there are others , once a year whether you want to or not is the only way to keep it working but none are perfect .

The centre support bracket is a good example of a common issue we see around here especially if there was a thick layer of undercoat and possibly dirt mixed in , it only takes a little water and then a rust pocket starts till it blisters after it's been rusting .
Powdercoat paint has a tendency to do that blistering as well .
I think that if you undercoat for a few years , pressure wash the heck out of it and start again you get your best protection and will see if any issues develop .
If you keep a vehicle for 5 years , not worth it but longer than that it will pay off .
Used oil or magic concoctions , well , it's not for me .
I'd drive most of the US "rust buckets" I've seen LOL
Just my 2 cents , not worth much because we have no more pennies up here so I'm out of the undercoat debate .
Scrounge on gentleman

 

[zogger]

Well , I wasn't going to wade in on the undercoat debate ........ But I'm in LOL
Being in a province that has it's 3 and 3/4 corners circled in salt water and with our DOT spreading a nice heavy layer of salt at the look of snow or freeze up , we see rust , most cars around here get scrapped because of rust , 10 years is an old car and if you call a local salvage yard for an 11 yr old car most parts have been crushed ....

My newest ride is an 84..not much rust anywhere on it really. My 81 ratsun is a little (ha!) rusty, but...cranks and runs.

I do *not* miss working on rusty junk in the winter..not one bit..nope.

so..I bet the new aluminum fords sell good this year up around you....

 

[SteveSS]

I managed to get myself motivated today and got out and felled and cut up the standing dead elm today. The bark had fallen off it sometime in the long distant past and it was as dry as a bone. The biggest rounds at the stump will still fit through the door of my boiler and the whole tree will probably give me another weeks worth of heat. It was nothing spectacular and didn't warrant any pics, but it was nice to pull the rip cord on the saw. It looked like it was feeling unloved.

Oh......and I took the 4-wheeler out for a spin around my lot yesterday, and found a medium-small white oak with the top laying down beside the trunk. Should be a nice little load of firewood when I get back to it. It's on a pretty ugly hill side, so I'll have to cut a little better access trail and grab it when the ground dries out.

 

[MustangMike]

Just got done with dinner, Venison Backstrap RARE ... DELICIOUS!!!!

I was previously asked what I meant by "Siamesing" my saws to get them to fit into my Husky tool box (from HD). Here is a few pics, the 24" bar fits perfectly, and the saws stay clean even when I drive on a puddle ridden 4wd rd. The box is sealed, even rain can't get in. U can fit 4 saws on the bottom, and there is plenty of room for addl stuff above the saws.

You will notice I also had to "strech" my cargo rack to fit the tool box. A little 1/2" rod and some clips did the job. It is a snug fit in the cargo rack, and two bungees hold it down just fine.

Not as elaborate as Dancan's creations, but it works! Gives the little Escape a little more space inside, and keeps the gas smell out.

 

[svk]

I did a lot of work on cars in college. Made a lot more money parting out cars and selling the parts on the "new" site called eBay than I did working as a marine mechanic in the summers. With the reach of Internet now that could be a full time job.

I've yet to find a place that rusts cars worse than MN but sounds like dancan is comparable.

A few notable rusters are 66' Ford Galaxie (center chunk of frame literally rots and falls right out), any early import truck (we didn't need that box anyway), and 80-96' Ford F series trucks (rear part of cab). I had an 81' F-350 that my cat could get in and out of without needing to use the door LOL.

A few real killers are not washing your car in the winter, parking it outside for long periods, and not giving it a real good underbody wash once spring rolls along.

No offense to the concoction guys but I sure wouldn't want that crap leaching into my well water....can you imagine the amount of pollution there would be along the roads if everyone slathered their cars in used oil?

 

[greg storms]

With time the brain cells loosen. The confused idiot cells mixed the Mohave (Ft. Irwin) base with Rudder @ Eglin AFB in Pensacola.
After too many years it all merges into one. SERE was done here in Maine.
I'm going to bed now.

One week in 1982, while driving along the Gulf Coast close to Elgin AFB, I heard what I thought was a low flying, fast moving jet right in our vicinity. I said to the couple in the rest seat "where's that bad a$s jet?". The fellow in the back said: " pull over stupid, you have a flat tire!". IMO, those powerful jets are awesome. But, I'll keep loading up on big saws, since they're more practical.

 

[svk]

One week in 1982, while driving along the Gulf Coast close to Elgin AFB, I heard what I thought was a low flying, fast moving jet right in our vicinity. I said to the couple in the rest seat "where's that bad a$s jet?". The fellow in the back said: " pull over stupid, you have a flat tire!". IMO, those powerful jets are awesome. But, I'll keep loading up on big saws, since they're more practical.

I lived in Niceville for a short time. Lots of good people down there. Next door neighbor and his wife were both in AF, he flew F-15's. Guy next to him was a retired general. He watched over the neighborhood like a hawk.

 

[greg storms]

As I have posted before my dad is a retired brick mason. He will be 70 in July. I would think twice before I tried him now. I am 6' and 230lbs. They don't make men like that anymore. The last load of oak I posted that came from my neighbors yard they were loading by hand. My 50 year old neighbor started to pick up a nice size piece of oak then stopped when he realized it was too much for him. My dad patted him on the back and said don't worry son I will take care of that. LOL.

I've got a good friend who quit helping me remove trees 5 mos ago. He's 87, not the strongest, but he'd ' git r dun'. Great with ropes and wise. Whenever I'd complain about the wife getn the best of an argument he'd get my mind settled. His sayn : A woman is a funny thing, will make a man a fool, take away his senses, n wear out his tool.

 

[steved]

I did a lot of work on cars in college. Made a lot more money parting out cars and selling the parts on the "new" site called eBay than I did working as a marine mechanic in the summers. With the reach of Internet now that could be a full time job.

I've yet to find a place that rusts cars worse than MN but sounds like dancan is comparable.

A few notable rusters are 66' Ford Galaxie (center chunk of frame literally rots and falls right out), any early import truck (we didn't need that box anyway), and 80-96' Ford F series trucks (rear part of cab). I had an 81' F-350 that my cat could get in and out of without needing to use the door LOL.

A few real killers are not washing your car in the winter, parking it outside for long periods, and not giving it a real good underbody wash once spring rolls along.

No offense to the concoction guys but I sure wouldn't want that crap leaching into my well water....can you imagine the amount of pollution there would be along the roads if everyone slathered their cars in used oil?

Since this was obviously directed at me...I'm out. Experience is always second seat...

 

[svk]

Since this was obviously directed at me...I'm out. Experience is always second seat...

I said no offense. Wasn't trying to argue but simply state a fact.

Never said it didn't work, I'm sure it works great. But look at it this way: You can get rid of a gopher by pouring a gallon of diesel down his hole. Or you can get a chemical designed for that purpose that's not terrible for everyone else involved.

 

[jonsered14]

No need 4 me 2 scrounge 4 firewood im set 4 5+ years and stil have more cuming in