Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[chipper1]

Dropped another three bills at the Ace Hardware (Stihl dealer) today. A 2 in 1 file, because I can't seem to find the one for my .325 chains, a pair of screnches, because I keep dropping them in the overgrowth. An 18" bar for the 261, because the 16" is just a little too short for me. A pair of chains for the 18" bar. A stump vice, just because I've never had one before and wanted to be able to sharpen in the field a little easier, and a six pack of 2 cycle oil. That was a quick 300 bones gone.

It adds up real quick for sure.
I filled the excursion from half way, $100, and that was at the "cheap" station, 4.79 vs 4.99 at the others .
Went to tractor supply and they had bar oil for 15.99, I bought 4 jugs a short time ago for 12.99 iirc, then it was out of stock right after that.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Neither did I because I keep them clean, but I have to clean a husky filter much less .


The biggest I've seen is dull chains. If they clean the filter more it will be cleaner though lol.

This is true!

 

[JustPlainJeff]

Couple more loads done today, hope to have the woodshed done tomorrow . So thankful for the cooler weather.

Are the misquotes not as bad where you're at as they are in the U.P. by me? Man, I could hardly stand to be anywhere outside in the last few days, because the damn things are just crushing me. I don't remember them ever being this bad before!!! Heaven forbid, you get tired and start breathing through your mouth, because you'll have your day's worth of protein in three or four breaths from swallowing them!

 

[JustPlainJeff]

It adds up real quick for sure.
I filled the excursion from half way, $100, and that was at the "cheap" station, 4.79 vs 4.99 at the others .
Went to tractor supply and they had bar oil for 15.99, I bought 4 jugs a short time ago for 12.99 iirc, then it was out of stock right after that.

Affirmative. Prices for everything are just crazy right now.

 

[chipper1]

Are the misquotes not as bad where you're at as they are in the U.P. by me? Man, I could hardly stand to be anywhere outside in the last few days, because the damn things are just crushing me. I don't remember them ever being this bad before!!! Heaven forbid, you get tired and start breathing through your mouth, because you'll have your day's worth of protein in three or four breaths from swallowing them!

Not terrible earlier on in the day, but when I was watering a few areas I just seeded, they were tearing me up. The boy wasn't there to help be out, the last few nights I've had him out there when I'm watering with the electric fly swatter lol.

Affirmative. Prices for everything are just crazy right now.

Makes it harder to save a buck for sure, not that it matters much because a buck aint worth much in general these days.

 

[WoodAbuser]

Mornin, all you saw lovers

 

[sean donato]

It adds up real quick for sure.
I filled the excursion from half way, $100, and that was at the "cheap" station, 4.79 vs 4.99 at the others .
Went to tractor supply and they had bar oil for 15.99, I bought 4 jugs a short time ago for 12.99 iirc, then it was out of stock right after that.

Last year I bought 14 gallons of bar oil, for $6.00 each. Mystic from blains farm and fleet. Bought enough to get the free shipping, which would have cost as much a 4 gallons. $15.00 a gallon is pathetic. It was up to $11.00 last year when I needed some at lowes. Here's a link.
https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/1344967-mystik-1-gal-bar-and-chain-oil.htmlIt's a tad thin but I haven't seen any indications of premature wear or damage to bar or chain.

 

[chipper1]

Last year I bought 14 gallons of bar oil, for $6.00 each. Mystic from blains farm and fleet. Bought enough to get the free shipping, which would have cost as much a 4 gallons. $15.00 a gallon is pathetic. It was up to $11.00 last year when I needed some at lowes. Here's a link.
https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/1344967-mystik-1-gal-bar-and-chain-oil.htmlIt's a tad thin but I haven't seen any indications of premature wear or damage to bar or chain.

Thanks.
I already have a link to it saved in my bookmarks. They are 25 miles from here( 32 min), so with the car it would cost me $10 in fuel, with the excursion $25. I'd like to just bring the trailer and get a pallet.
When I bought the last 4 gallons the store near me was out of it or I would have grabbed a bunch up then.
I also need to get another jug of 2-stroke mix (I did find a deal on 6-5 gallon bottles, just like to have my Maxima k-2 on hand) and some 5.2 and 5.5 files, I have a couple boxes of these on the way.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3234465113...78&brand=PFERD&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507Best deal on the Maxima k-2 I know of.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAXIMA-229...911-78-9834-/231758939868?hash=item35f5e8c6dc

 

[sean donato]

Yeah I need to get more 2 stroke oil as well. This gallon is gonna be out soon.

 

[chipper1]

Yeah I need to get more 2 stroke oil as well. This gallon is gonna be out soon.

What are you running.

 

[Lee192233]

What are you running.

Oh god....don't talk about oil! It's worse than politics on here!

 

[MustangMike]

TS used to have the bar oil on sale for $6/Gal, then they went up to $8 and I bought a bunch of it. Luckly, still have lots in my shed.

On my last gal of 2 cycle, I only use Amsoil Saber at 40:1. Dread when I have to buy more!

 

[sean donato]

What are you running.

Klotz super techniplate. May switch to r50, or some other brand oil..see what's cheaper atm. That gallon cost $48.99 two years ago. Just can't wait to see what it's up to now.

 

[sean donato]

Oh god....don't talk about oil! It's worse than politics on here!

You know, it's been a while since we talked shop on oil.......

 

[Lee192233]

You know, it's been a while since we talked shop on oil.......

Tis true...
My choice is Motul 800 @ 40:1.

 

[Sierra_rider]

Agree with all of your comments Steve, the 400 and 462 are not far apart in weight or displacements, and are both real nice saws.

Your comments on the 044 are also correct, but let's put them in context:

The 044 came out in 1988. No company made any saw (until the 462) that was both lighter and more powerful than the 044 for 30 years! The 044/440 was "king of the 70 cc hill"! I purchased my 10 mm 044 in Dec 92 and it was my only saw for 18 years!

I've replaced the seals and rubber (fuel line, impulse and boot) and a crushed fuel tank, and rebuilt the ZAMA carb, but all of the rest of that saw is original and it still runs very strong.

It does have some mods to improve performance ... base gasket delete, timing advance, muff mod and low restriction air filter. It will embarrass a lot of stock 046/460s and 066/660s.

I've spent quite a bit of time screwing around with 044s. I've got a couple now that can still embarrass some of the new saws.

They get a lot of hate, but I've become a fan of aftermarket big bore kits on the 044. I throw it on the lathe and remove some material out of the combustion chamber, then correct with the base. It gets the port timing close to where it should be. A little work to the ports and they run really well.

I've finally upgraded to a 400 and 500i for my personal saws, and a 462 at work...not because I was lacking for power with the BB 044s, but for the AV. I don't really perceive the vibration with rubber AV saws, but my carpal tunnel kicks in really bad after running them for extended periods of time...and I used to make fun of people who complained about AV lol.

The 500i is a cool saw, I really like it. That being said, it's still an 80cc saw and isn't the magical replacement for 90cc saws that some think it is. If I really need to run a 36" bar, my ported 066 comes out. It's just an awesome saw, one of my most favorite of all time.

 

[sean donato]

Tis true...
My choice is Motul 800 @ 40:1.

I had a email conversation with a klotz rep about oil in my saws. (Background info. My dad raced unlimited offshore years ago, and one of my (departed) uncles raced semi pro mx. Both were big fans of klotz) he basically said I wasn't going to see any real gains with the super techniplate over r50 or their snowmobile oils. Which lead me to think if I can get good results with a "cheaper" oil then why not. Maxima was always a favorite in the rc community, and now that you mention it, I use motul foam air filter oil. I should have thought about them ad well.

 

[MustangMike]

I have several 066/660 saws, both OEM and Clones. One of my ported clones dynoed at 8.6 Hp with a broad power curve.

I mostly use them for milling, stumping and ripping large rounds.

They are a little heavy for most tasks, but they are good saws that stand up to abuse and get it done, but they also suck fuel like crazy!

When milling with one, you can almost watch the fuel level drop.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Just out of curiosity? Why don't you guys mix 50:1?

 

[MustangMike]

Just out of curiosity? Why don't you guys mix 50:1?

Because almost all of my saws are ported so they need more protection than a stock saw, it is cheap insurance, and your saw will last longer.

Ported saws run higher RPMs and have more stress, ditto for big bores/hybrids. Milling is also very tough on saws, so I protect mine.

I have NEVER blown one up.

I built a 440 big bore (Asian) for a friend of mine. I ran the saw quite a bit w/o any problems. He blew it up.

I built him another, same thing.

I built a 3rd one for him and told him he had to run Saber at 40:1 instead of Stihl synthetic at 50:1 and the saw has lasted much longer w/o any problems.

So, in answer to your question, because it works!

50:1 is to "meet emissions" and does not provide much additional protection. The skirt on the intake side of your piston will wear faster.

I also stopped using "used motor oil" as bar oil because I was ruining bars using it. Buying real bar oil is also cheap insurance.