Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[Kodiak Kid]

60cc.

Nice! How big dose Jonsread build them?

 

[chipper1]

Nice! How big dose Jonsread build them?

Not sure, some of the older ones were pretty big. The largest I've had were only 71cc.
I also have a 2252, which are m-tronic saws too, they are 50cc.
Here's one running a nice square chain, but it's also in "green" black locust.

The 2260 in more similar wood with a round chain for comparison. The dead locust I was cutting in that earlier video is a good bit harder.

 

[JustJeff]

Guy across the road has a 2095 turbo jonsered. I'm guessing the "turbo" is like the "magnum" to my ms460. Either way it's a full grown man of a saw and is an absolute gigglefest with a 20" bar on it!
Had my hands on a 462 yesterday. Customer had one in the back of his truck. Couldn't believe how light it felt.

 

[WoodAbuser]

Had my hands on a 462 yesterday. Customer had one in the back of his truck. Couldn't believe how light it felt.

I love mine. My 046 Magnum hasn't been run since i got it.

 

[Lee192233]

Had the whole family together for a portrait last night!

 

[WoodAbuser]

Your family looks meaner than I expected.

Had the whole family together for a portrait last night!
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[svk]

Morning guys. Been a good couple of days here except the aspen cotton has been out like crazy… It’s not as bad as Cottonwood season down south but it’s not a lot of fun when it looks like it’s snowing everywhere lol.

Yesterday I mowed a few lawns with the rider and finished up my sauna re-do project. It’s really nice to have both the electric heater as well as the Kuuma wood stove.

Have a bunch of things going on today and a bunch of projects I’d like to get done however my elementary school is being torn down after this school year and they are doing a school closing ceremony tonight that I really probably should go to… The school has been in use for 92 years so the district certainly has received their moneys worth from it.

 

[Lee192233]

Your family looks meaner than I expected.

It must be a nice family. They adopted the weird swedish kid.

 

[farmer steve]

The 400 runs pretty close to the 462. Seems I pick it up most of the time being it is a tad lighter than the 462. Like Sean said, we don't get stuff that big that a 20" bar won't handle. The anti-vibe and the good air filtration are big pluses on either saw compared to an 044.

 

[djg james]

Had the whole family together for a portrait last night!
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That one in front must be adopted.

 

[MustangMike]

Yeah I get that, but there was really no need for it. Even today I think they overlap a lot with in the home owner, farm, and pro saw. The 3 saws we've been talking about as case point. 362, 400, and 462. All three are right there neck and neck. Toss the 500i in there and it's like just wow. 4 pro grade saws just stacked right on top of each other.

Making sense of the Stihl Pro line-up:

The 362 is 60 cc (actually just 59)

The 462 is 70 cc, and

The the 500i is almost 80 cc.

The 362 did not have the best reputation out there because it is the third generation of the 362 and the older versions were either heavier or had less power and were heavier. The early Husky 562 were lighter and more powerful (until they fixed the leaking case problem and went from a 5 to a 6 bolt case). The 562 is also a few ccs larger than the 362.

So Stihl came out with the 400, which was built on a 362 frame but has more displacement than a 562, so it is now both lighter and more powerful than it's Husky counterpart. To keep the weight of the larger bore saw down Stihl went to a Magnesium piston (first time ever in a saw) with a special coating. This special piston is also supposed to preserve the cylinder if the saw "burns up", and Stihl improved the transfer ports on the new cylinder.

Now you have a better understanding of Stihl's line-up, and it is pretty good.

 

[MustangMike]

I believe the 500i has a smaller fuel tank due to the computer sitting where the rest of the tanks was…it doesn’t make a difference in feeding times for the monster, but now you know why…,

Don't know where your info comes from, but according to the Stihl website the 462 has a 24.3 oz fuel tank and the 500i has a 26.5 oz fuel tank.

There was a general assumption that fuel injection would reduce fuel usage (like it does in cars). In the chainsaw world, it seems the opposite is true. (Perhaps because of the lower operating electrical power).

While the 500i injector produces good power, it is NOT fuel efficient, and a lot of pros objected to bringing the additional fuel with them for the day.

The 500i has more torque and will pull a longer bar better, but the powerhead is light for balancing a long bar (13.9 lbs). It also lacks the speed of the 462, so in 20" hardwood (which is typical of what a lot of us cut) the 462 will often beat a 500i (in stock form, they seem to respond well to porting).

 

[MustangMike]

The 400 runs pretty close to the 462. Seems I pick it up most of the time being it is a tad lighter than the 462. Like Sean said, we don't get stuff that big that a 20" bar won't handle. The anti-vibe and the good air filtration are big pluses on either saw compared to an 044.

Agree with all of your comments Steve, the 400 and 462 are not far apart in weight or displacements, and are both real nice saws.

Your comments on the 044 are also correct, but let's put them in context:

The 044 came out in 1988. No company made any saw (until the 462) that was both lighter and more powerful than the 044 for 30 years! The 044/440 was "king of the 70 cc hill"! I purchased my 10 mm 044 in Dec 92 and it was my only saw for 18 years!

I've replaced the seals and rubber (fuel line, impulse and boot) and a crushed fuel tank, and rebuilt the ZAMA carb, but all of the rest of that saw is original and it still runs very strong.

It does have some mods to improve performance ... base gasket delete, timing advance, muff mod and low restriction air filter. It will embarrass a lot of stock 046/460s and 066/660s.

 

[sean donato]

Had the whole family together for a portrait last night!
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I need to do that again.... it's been a while to say the least

 

[sean donato]

Making sense of the Stihl Pro line-up:

The 362 is 60 cc (actually just 59)

The 462 is 70 cc, and

The the 500i is almost 80 cc.

The 362 did not have the best reputation out there because it is the third generation of the 362 and the older versions were either heavier or had less power and were heavier. The early Husky 562 were lighter and more powerful (until they fixed the leaking case problem and went from a 5 to a 6 bolt case). The 562 is also a few ccs larger than the 362.

So Stihl came out with the 400, which was built on a 362 frame but has more displacement than a 562, so it is now both lighter and more powerful than it's Husky counterpart. To keep the weight of the larger bore saw down Stihl went to a Magnesium piston (first time ever in a saw) with a special coating. This special piston is also supposed to preserve the cylinder if the saw "burns up", and Stihl improved the transfer ports on the new cylinder.

Now you have a better understanding of Stihl's line-up, and it is pretty good.

Yep, I agree. I'm not a saw snob but yeah until the past few years I wouldn't have taken any mid range stihl. Been very impressed with the 400 so far.

 

[sean donato]

Agree with all of your comments Steve, the 400 and 462 are not far apart in weight or displacements, and are both real nice saws.

Your comments on the 044 are also correct, but let's put them in context:

The 044 came out in 1988. No company made any saw (until the 462) that was both lighter and more powerful than the 044 for 30 years! The 044/440 was "king of the 70 cc hill"! I purchased my 10 mm 044 in Dec 92 and it was my only saw for 18 years!

I've replaced the seals and rubber (fuel line, impulse and boot) and a crushed fuel tank, and rebuilt the ZAMA carb, but all of the rest of that saw is original and it still runs very strong.

It does have some mods to improve performance ... base gasket delete, timing advance, muff mod and low restriction air filter. It will embarrass a lot of stock 046/460s and 066/660s.

Idk about king of the hill for 30 years. Not knocking an 044, but I definatly liked running a 372xp better. Handleled better and no appreciable power difference imo.

 

[chipper1]

Idk about king of the hill for 30 years. Not knocking an 044, but I definatly liked running a 372xp better. Handleled better and no appreciable power difference imo.

Amen.
And to add, much better AV and filtration, and the color . What I find interesting, is that even though the stihl filtration has sucked(pun intended) for yrs, it was hard to kill them.
While I liked my ported 440, it wasn't long after getting my hands on a couple 462's that I said to it.
Too bad the 572 wasn't an improvement in weight over the 372s, it does better in every other category, just a bit of a fat girl, much like the 550mk2.
I don't currently have a running 572, but I have one to build when I get after it.
Sure wish it was orange.

 

[chipper1]

That one in front must be adopted.

Yeah, and everyone knows adopted kids are the best, right @svk

 

[MustangMike]

The 272 and 372 were great saws, had nice creature comforts and had large followings, but for 30 years NOTHING was both lighter and more powerful than a 10 mm 044.

Some preferred the handling of one over the other ... that was personal preference.

I hate saws w/o AV, but the rubber AV never bothered me (I always wear gloves).

 

[ValleyForge]

Don't know where your info comes from, but according to the Stihl website the 462 has a 24.3 oz fuel tank and the 500i has a 26.5 oz fuel tank.

There was a general assumption that fuel injection would reduce fuel usage (like it does in cars). In the chainsaw world, it seems the opposite is true. (Perhaps because of the lower operating electrical power).

While the 500i injector produces good power, it is NOT fuel efficient, and a lot of pros objected to bringing the additional fuel with them for the day.

The 500i has more torque and will pull a longer bar better, but the powerhead is light for balancing a long bar (13.9 lbs). It also lacks the speed of the 462, so in 20" hardwood (which is typical of what a lot of us cut) the 462 will often beat a 500i (in stock form, they seem to respond well to porting).

My info comes from the saw…when you look at it there is a huge honkin computer where the rest of the gas tank should be…never said anything about efficiency, don’t care….