Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[WoodAbuser]

It’s just not fair you guys have rocks…where’s the social justice….you rockists…..

It's not fair that u r always on shore leave either, but u don't hear us ragging u about that!

 

[JustPlainJeff]

Guys-if possible can y’all PLEASE use multiquote if you’re going to answer several folks in one sitting? I know it’s tougher from a phone but really makes reading a lot easier for the rest of us. Especially when trying to catch up.

I may be one of the guilty parties. I've tried to multi-quote before, and for some reason, just can't wrap my head around it. I always screw it up when I try to multi-quote LOL!

 

[JustPlainJeff]

Bought my gooseneck last year, and bought a 12K winch for it. But haven't had it installed yet. It's not something that I want to tackle myself as I hate dealing with electrical. So, I'm finally going to have my plow dealer install it for me in the next few weeks. I've had a need for a winch with my plow trucks for years and years, but now you watch. As soon as I have it installed, I won't have a need for it for a while! At least that's my hope.

I'm not a Harbor Freight advocate by any means, and I'll almost never buy tools there. But when I started researching winches, this Badland winch kept coming up in conversations. It's sold by Harbor Freight, but I've looked at hundreds of reviews, and it's awfully hard to find a bad review on them. So, I'm giving one a shot. This seems rock solid, and heavy as hell. So, I'm anxious to see how it actually performs.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

The problem with the Badland winch is the "duty cycle"...

Should be OK for occasional use on a trailer though.

SR

 

[JustPlainJeff]

The problem with the Badland winch is the "duty cycle"...

Should be OK for occasional use on a trailer though.

SR

I haven't seen anything about it's duty cycle. Honestly, I don't even know what that means. Would you explain this in a little more detail please? Because if there is some issue that I'm not aware of, I'd just as soon buy another winch for the trailer and use the Badland one here around my property. I'd rather not be let down "in the field" when in the middle of a blizzard somewhere when I really need it to work.

 

[Be Stihl]

I'm still on the job mowing fields, around tree's and mowing everywhere else in sight.

In fact, this job is going to go on so long, I decided to set up camp so I can take breaks and rest as much as I want, lol

There are even fields of ferns to mow,

Here's how much fuel I burned in 10.3 hours of mowing heavy grass with some hills,

and that was off road nontaxed red fuel!

SR

Let’s go Brandon

 

[Jere39]

For all you wheelbarrow runners, I had some landscaping done this week and the crew threw down this small force of Jacksons:



Was thinking I might have coaxed a little firewood moving from the crew - but it didn't happen.

 

[WoodAbuser]

For all you wheelbarrow runners, I had some landscaping done this week and the crew threw down this small force of Jacksons:

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Was thinking I might have coaxed a little firewood moving from the crew - but it didn't happen.

You are just going to have to wait for H-Ranch to be back on the job.

 

[djg james]

....... I'm not a Harbor Freight advocate by any means, and I'll almost never buy tools there. But when I started researching winches, this Badland winch kept coming up in conversations. It's sold by Harbor Freight, but I've looked at hundreds of reviews, and it's awfully hard to find a bad review on them. So, I'm giving one a shot. This seems rock solid, and heavy as hell. So, I'm anxious to see how it actually performs.
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I too, really don't care for the quality found at HF, but some say their gas engines, Predator, really work well on log splitters.

 

[H-Ranch]

I haven't seen anything about it's duty cycle. Honestly, I don't even know what that means. Would you explain this in a little more detail please? Because if there is some issue that I'm not aware of, I'd just as soon buy another winch for the trailer and use the Badland one here around my property. I'd rather not be let down "in the field" when in the middle of a blizzard somewhere when I really need it to work.

Duty cycle just refers to the percentage of "on" time. This is from the Badlands 12k owners manual:
Duty Cycle Rating
5% (45 sec at Max Rated Load;
14 min, 15 sec Rest)

That means if it pulls for 45 seconds, then it needs to cool for 14 minutes and 15 seconds (=5% on time). And that's at max load, lighter load can pull longer or have less cool down time, though probably shouldn't push it a lot more.

 

[djg james]

Duty cycle just refers to the percentage of "on" time. This is from the Badlands 12k owners manual:
Duty Cycle Rating
5% (45 sec at Max Rated Load;
14 min, 15 sec Rest)

That means if it pulls for 45 seconds, then it needs to cool for 14 minutes and 15 seconds (=5% on time). And that's at max load, lighter load can pull longer or have less cool down time, though probably shouldn't push it a lot more.

Thanks, that makes sense. I've got the bottom of the line HF winch to pull small logs (haha) onto my small 5x8 trailer. It pulls for a few seconds, then it cuts out. Have to let it set for a minute, then I can pull again. This one, 2000 lbs ca $50 just isn't enough. That 12k # (that's POUNDS not HASHTAG, WTF is hashtag?) would work for me since I would never be at the maximum. Just can't justify the cost for the few logs I would load. Now if someone wants to GIFT me one......

 

[H-Ranch]

For all you wheelbarrow runners, I had some landscaping done this week and the crew threw down this small force of Jacksons:

Wow! If I'm counting right, I could haul firewood 8 times faster if I had that fleet!

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Ignoring the duty cycle = burnt out winch... Just running with no load, builds heat.

You just have to be VERY patient with the cheaper winches, and don't overheat them.

SR

 

[turnkey4099]

Age is beginning o show. I can boost saws around, pitch brush, split/load, etc for 3-4 hours but I can't walk 50' without my legs feeling they have been badly abused, weak.. Yesterday I was working on the Horse Chestnut scrounge and was pretty beat from the heat after 3 hours (I started in the cool of the morning in the shade but some sob cut down the shade and I had to work in the sun). Decided to bag it for the day, load what I had and go home. Got home and the temp was only 74. I almost put on my p&&&y hat (yes I do have one that my bodies made me. It is even pink). Out tomorrow to continue where I left off but temp is supposed to be near 90 - looks like anohter early quit for me.

 

[ValleyForge]

Ignoring the duty cycle = burnt out winch... Just running with no load, builds heat.

You just have to be VERY patient with the cheaper winches, and don't overheat them.

SR

Same thing with cheaper air compressors…you just need to be careful with them.

 

[chipper1]

For all you wheelbarrow runners, I had some landscaping done this week and the crew threw down this small force of Jacksons:

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Was thinking I might have coaxed a little firewood moving from the crew - but it didn't happen.

Looks like a redmax backpack blower too .
Are they resetting the papers, or removing them.

 

[Lionsfan]

For all you wheelbarrow runners, I had some landscaping done this week and the crew threw down this small force of Jacksons:

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Was thinking I might have coaxed a little firewood moving from the crew - but it didn't happen.

I was in the market for as new buggy last year and ended up buying a Truper. Looks identical to the one that's flipped upside down , except mine came with a solid tire, which I ended up replacing with a pneumatic one.

 

[Philbert]

That means if it pulls for 45 seconds, then it needs to cool for 14 minutes and 15 seconds (=5% on time).

I am familiar with the term ‘Duty Cycle’ from welders, etc. But 5% is really surprising. What is a typical duty cycle on a higher quality winch?

Thanks


Philbert

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I am familiar with the term ‘Duty Cycle’ from welders, etc. But 5% is really surprising. What is a typical duty cycle on a higher quality winch?

Thanks


Philbert

I don't know the actual rating, but my Warn 12,000 has made pull after pull, winching my "loaded" pu way back into the mountains, to build a cabin and it never overheated one time.

How do I know this you ask? Because the Warn has thermo overload protection that if overheated it will shut the winch off and then "reset" when it cools back down. I remember reading in the manual, once tripped, the winch will only winch out, it will not winch in, but I've never tripped it, and I've winched MANY heavy loads with it, sometimes back-to-back.

BTW, I have a couple of those Badland winches too, when it comes to the motor, they are just very light duty.

SR

 

[H-Ranch]

I am familiar with the term ‘Duty Cycle’ from welders, etc. But 5% is really surprising. What is a typical duty cycle on a higher quality winch?

Thanks


Philbert

That's a great question and it seems many manufactures are reluctant to publish a number. I have looked for it in the past as well since I was curious also.

Most do say to winch at or near max load for "short periods" or "one minute max" and to allow the winch to cool for a few minutes. Or not to winch if the motor is "hot to the touch". Some may depend on thermal switches and such to limit the duty cycle as mentioned on one of the smaller winches by @djg james .

I would guess that most winching is not at the max load for extended periods so there is probably more "on time" with less load. But if you're looking to operate an electric winch at max load continuously then you're going to be disappointed and you probably need a different solution.